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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:00 pm 
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Yep. No more "friends" whose opinions matter, it's now Ludd lecturing us that patronizing dismissals and derogatory comments on the looks and age of female posters is something everyone in the real world shrugs at.


I bet this isn't the first time Schryver has come back here to demand examples and then dismiss them as not counting. What a douchebag.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:19 pm 
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Ludd, let's take the examples you listed from Ms. Jack's thread, and allow Brother Schryver's Priesthood leaders to review them. Let's sit down with Brother Schryver's bishop and explain that he, willingly identifying himself as a representative and apologist for the LDS Church was:

1. Brother Schryver, a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who has been married in the temple, was making ogling comments on a public website about a young divorced woman's breasts.

2. Brother Schryver was rabidly insulting a variety of women, some members of the Church, based on his perception of their looks.


And then, we wil allow Brother Schryver's Bishop and/or Stake Preident to view Ms. Jack's thread in full.

I would LOVE to be a fly on that wall.

What's stopping you from doing this?



P.S. How does one go about "rabidly insulting a variety of women"? :lol: Is that what Schryver was doing when he wrote the bit about carrying melons in thimbles?


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:24 pm 
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Ludd, let's take the examples you listed from Ms. Jack's thread, and allow Brother Schryver's Priesthood leaders to review them. Let's sit down with Brother Schryver's bishop and explain that he, willingly identifying himself as a representative and apologist for the LDS Church was:

1. Brother Schryver, a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who has been married in the temple, was making ogling comments on a public website about a young divorced woman's breasts.

2. Brother Schryver was rabidly insulting a variety of women, some members of the Church, based on his perception of their looks.


And then, we wil allow Brother Schryver's Bishop and/or Stake Preident to view Ms. Jack's thread in full.

I would LOVE to be a fly on that wall.

And the response from Ludd.....

*crickets*

:wink:

btw: I missed where Schryver identified himself as a "representative of the LDS church". Link please?


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:25 pm 
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Whoever Ludd is or isn't, he's certainly proved that he's not anyone we should give any further attention to on the subject of what is or isn't offensive.
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Did you not ask for examples of DCP, Hamblin, et al. behaving badly? Re: your attitude towards those of the Jewish persuasion, I'm guessing that you think that "people outside of this message board would read this and shrug their shoulders" about this:

William Hamblin wrote:
“I get mad every time I think about those Kikes. The Kikes are so clannish; and they wear funny cloths. Those stupid Kikes always do what their Rabbis tell them. They think they should be obedient to God. What mindless Kikebots. They actually have 613 commandments; count ‘em—six hundred and thirteen. This proves they’re a mind-control cult. You know, Kikes have committed murder and embezzled money. In fact, when a Kike commits murder, it’s because he’s a Kike. There is something about those Kikes that makes them violent. The Kikes are all rich, too. They control the money and politics of New York. Not just New York, they control Hollywood too, and want to control the politics of the entire country. Indeed, they are a threat to freedom and democracy. And their kosher rules are so-ooo stupid. They make me want to gag. Why shouldn’t I eat a cheeseburger if I want to? You can’t get a good ham sandwich in a Kike deli. I want a ham sandwich, and I’m not going to let those Kikes stop me from eating it. I sure hate those Kikes! They drive me nuts.”


http://www.fairlds.org/authors/hamblin- ... cyberspace

In the interest of full disclosure, Dr. Scratch, I think you should also include Hamblin's preface to that statement:
William Hamblin wrote:
All one needs to do to see the bigotry on this board is replace the ubiquitous terms Morg and Morgbot with Kike. Try the following on for size:

He's not claiming he has those views about Jews. Omitting his opening statement changes the meaning enough to be misleading. Of course, the fact that he equates "Morgbot" with a racial slur against Jews is, I think, offensive enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:26 pm 
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How do you "ignore" a user on this board? I've heard people reference the feature, but I'm not sure where to find it.


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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Ludd wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
Ludd, let's take the examples you listed from Ms. Jack's thread, and allow Brother Schryver's Priesthood leaders to review them. Let's sit down with Brother Schryver's bishop and explain that he, willingly identifying himself as a representative and apologist for the LDS Church was:

1. Brother Schryver, a Melchizedek Priesthood holder who has been married in the temple, was making ogling comments on a public website about a young divorced woman's breasts.

2. Brother Schryver was rabidly insulting a variety of women, some members of the Church, based on his perception of their looks.


And then, we wil allow Brother Schryver's Bishop and/or Stake Preident to view Ms. Jack's thread in full.

I would LOVE to be a fly on that wall.

What's stopping you from doing this?



P.S. How does one go about "rabidly insulting a variety of women"? :lol: Is that what Schryver was doing when he wrote the bit about carrying melons in thimbles?

You're the one who is supposedly looking for "evidence". I honestly don't give a rat's ass one way or the other about William. All I am stating is that you have a very dim view of what Priesthood leaders find troubling or offensive if you honestly feel that these statements are minor.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:26 pm 
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harmony wrote:
All that is needed is to put "circle jerk" in the search engine. If that's not offensive enough, nothing will be.


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1000+


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"Circle jerk" is offensive? Sexist? Misogynist?


Offensive - YES
Sexist - YES
Misogynist - When used as Will used to demean females on this board - YES

What planet are you from? Even Kolobians if they existed would be offended according to your church.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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Blixa wrote:
Yep. No more "friends" whose opinions matter, it's now Ludd lecturing us that patronizing dismissals and derogatory comments on the looks and age of female posters is something everyone in the real world shrugs at.

Do you buy dinner first for gang rape victims too? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Do you buy dinner first for gang rape victims too? :lol:


At least I can tell my friends I have finally met Mr. Schryver. What a small, insecure person he is.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:30 pm 
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Cylon wrote:
How do you "ignore" a user on this board? I've heard people reference the feature, but I'm not sure where to find it.


Go here http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes and add them to your foes list.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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Ludd wrote:
btw: I missed where Schryver identified himself as a "representative of the LDS church". Link please?


You don't need a specific link. Will posts here under his real name, which is William Schryver. Will is a known apologist from the FAIR board. Those who participate here know who he is, and when he takes up any type of argument which is pro-Church, he is consistent in posting in that vein.

The reason that MI had a problem with Will's posts on Ms. Jack's thread is that it was obvious that Will was not taking the type of responsibility he needed to be taking as a soon-to-be published apologist.

If you really can't comprehend that, then you obviously know very little about academics, Church policies, and the priesthood, in general.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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Cylon wrote:
In the interest of full disclosure, Dr. Scratch, I think you should also include Hamblin's preface to that statement:
William Hamblin wrote:
All one needs to do to see the bigotry on this board is replace the ubiquitous terms Morg and Morgbot with Kike. Try the following on for size:

He's not claiming he has those views about Jews. Omitting his opening statement changes the meaning enough to be misleading. Of course, the fact that he equates "Morgbot" with a racial slur against Jews is, I think, offensive enough.

You don't mean to suggest that Doctor Scratch/Kishkumen was misrepresenting what Hamblin said, do you? :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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Cylon wrote:
How do you "ignore" a user on this board? I've heard people reference the feature, but I'm not sure where to find it.


Go here http://mormondiscussions.com/phpBB3/ucp.php?i=zebra&mode=foes and add them to your foes list.

Thanks, Stormy! This thread is much better already! :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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If you really can't comprehend that, then you obviously know very little about academics, Church policies, and the priesthood, in general.


From what I've heard, seems about right.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
PostPosted: Sun Jul 15, 2012 3:34 pm 
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The reason that MI had a problem with Will's posts on Ms. Jack's thread is that it was obvious that Will was not taking the type of responsibility he needed to be taking as a soon-to-be published apologist.

OK, this is the first time I've heard this. Where did you learn this from? Link please.


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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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Ludd wrote:
liz3564 wrote:
The reason that MI had a problem with Will's posts on Ms. Jack's thread is that it was obvious that Will was not taking the type of responsibility he needed to be taking as a soon-to-be published apologist.

OK, this is the first time I've heard this. Where did you learn this from? Link please.

Isn't that what your "investigation" is all about, Ludd?

William was in the process of having his Book of Abraham research published through MI. A representative of MI, upon reading the compilation from Ms. Jack's thread, influenced the other members of MI to squash the publication. That is the whole reason that Will has been whining.

There should be information surrounding this on Ms. Jack's thread. If I have time, I will look for a link, but, frankly, I am inclined to let you do a little simple reading yourself, and conduct your own damned research.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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"Ludd" ~ Plenty of "normal people outside of message boards" have reviewed my thread and decided that William's behavior was unacceptable. Some of them were associated with the Maxwell Institute and made the decision to cancel William's upcoming publications based on it. Argumentum ad populum is already highly fallacious as it is, but in this case, I don't believe the populum you're invoking even exists.

Yes, I made a risqué joke to my personal friend, MrStakhanovite. I did that because I know his sense of humor and I know he's okay with that kind of thing. I would never direct that sort of comment at a stranger on the Internet whom I was having a heated disagreement with. I'm not against occasional bouts of ribald humor with friends. I am against using crude sexual references to debase and deride ideological opponents.

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"Ludd" ~ Plenty of "normal people outside of message boards" have reviewed my thread and decided that William's behavior was unacceptable. Some of them were associated with the Maxwell Institute and made the decision to cancel William's upcoming publications based on it. Argumentum ad populum is already highly fallacious as it is, but in this case, I don't believe the populum you're invoking even exists.

Yes, I made a risqué joke to my personal friend, MrStakhanovite. I did that because I know his sense of humor and I know he's okay with that kind of thing. I would never direct that sort of comment at a stranger on the Internet whom I was having a heated disagreement with. I'm not against occasional bouts of ribald humor with friends. I am against using crude sexual references to debase and deride ideological opponents.


damn, I was hoping for a dinner as well :(


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"Ludd" ~ Plenty of "normal people outside of message boards" have reviewed my thread and decided that William's behavior was unacceptable. Some of them were associated with the Maxwell Institute and made the decision to cancel William's upcoming publications based on it. Argumentum ad populum is already highly fallacious as it is, but in this case, I don't believe the populum you're invoking even exists.

Yes, I made a risqué joke to my personal friend, MrStakhanovite. I did that because I know his sense of humor and I know he's okay with that kind of thing. I would never direct that sort of comment at a stranger on the Internet whom I was having a heated disagreement with. I'm not against occasional bouts of ribald humor with friends. I am against using crude sexual references to debase and deride ideological opponents.




damn, I was hoping for a dinner as well :(


I'll buy you dinner, Rock! :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson, Hamblin, Schryver Online Antics: Request for H
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William was in the process of having his Book of Abraham research published through MI. A representative of MI, upon reading the compilation from Ms. Jack's thread, influenced the other members of MI to squash the publication.


MI and BYU must be thanking their lucky stars that Ms Jack compiled the thread. The embarrassment would have been quick and complete, had they actually allowed him to attach his name to something they put out to the public.

Will, on the other hand... well, let's hope he gets published somewhere. I want to see some of our folks have a shot at him... again.

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Thanks, Stormy! This thread is much better already! :wink:


Isn't it? If only one could do it IRL...

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