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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:28 pm 
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About humility.

If you have it, you don't have to talk about it.
If you have to talk about it, you don't have it.
Some things are just like that.

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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:37 pm 
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lulu wrote:
About humility.

If you have it, you don't have to talk about it.
If you have to talk about it, you don't have it.
Some things are just like that.


What utter nonsense. I for one am very proud of my humility. :wink:


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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 12:58 pm 
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Cylon wrote:
Bryce Haymond wrote:
They even go so far as to determinedly conclude that it is Mormon apologetics, in fact, that is having a negative influence on the Church, which you’ll notice is completely backwards from its true meaning and purpose. Indeed, they are saying that the defenders are now essentially those doing the damage, which is almost comical in its twistedness.

I agree. It is comical. What's even more comical is how un-self-aware apologists can be about it.

Completely baffling. Haymond acts as if by simply pointing out that a negative impact on the church is completely backwards from the true meaning and purpose of apologetics, he has effectively disproven than any such negative impact can exist. Because human endeavors always result in their intended effects, I suppose? There is no such thing as an unintended consequence?

This is like arguing that there's no way that Prohibition could have exacerbated the societal ills surrounding alcohol, because that's completely backwards from the law's true meaning and purpose!


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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:26 pm 
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Haymond acts as if by simply pointing out that a negative impact on the church is completely backwards from the true meaning and purpose of apologetics, he has effectively disproven than any such negative impact can exist. Because human endeavors always result in their intended effects, I suppose? There is no such thing as an unintended consequence?

This is like arguing that there's no way that Prohibition could have exacerbated the societal ills surrounding alcohol, because that's completely backwards from the law's true meaning and purpose!

Can I convince you to put that into a reply on Haymond's blog post?

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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:06 pm 
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Dr. Shades wrote:
Can I convince you to put that into a reply on Haymond's blog post?


I tried but it still says awaiting moderation.


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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 4:23 pm 
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Sophocles wrote:
Dr. Shades wrote:
Can I convince you to put that into a reply on Haymond's blog post?


I tried but it still says awaiting moderation.


"Moderation" = digital round file in this case.

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 Post subject: Re: Bryce Haymond on Daniel Peterson: Humble Apologist
PostPosted: Wed Jul 04, 2012 5:52 pm 
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sansfoy wrote:
"Moderation" = digital round file in this case.


Yep. Bryce doesn't welcome challenges.

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