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Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:19 pm
by Kevin Graham
Kishkumen wrote:
Kevin Graham wrote:Liz, I doubt Dan is going to be in dire straits with his six figure income, he is still going to be a tenured professor at BYU. And as he likes to remind us, he doesn't get paid anything to do apologetics anyway.

Look on the bright side. With him out, the position is open to some other lucky person who might take NAMIR in a more responsible and respectable direction. Instead of being sad for Dan, let's be happy for whoever his replacement is.


They should put Brian Hauglid in the position as his replacement.


Hauglid wants to stay out of apologetics.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:20 pm
by Kishkumen
Kevin Graham wrote:Hauglid wants to stay out of apologetics.


But both Daniel and Gerald refer to a change in the direction of the Review that could spell less apologetics and more real Mormon Studies.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2012 9:28 pm
by RockSlider
Doctor Scratch wrote:People were telling him for years that he was too hostile, too engaged in mockery and derision, and he refused to listen, so now the result is that he no longer gets to oversee this publication.


His loss of inside friendships/standing over the years might help explain his seemingly mismatched friendship with Will.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:58 am
by Kishkumen
RockSlider wrote:
Doctor Scratch wrote:People were telling him for years that he was too hostile, too engaged in mockery and derision, and he refused to listen, so now the result is that he no longer gets to oversee this publication.


His loss of inside friendships/standing over the years might help explain his seemingly mismatched friendship with Will.


He shares with Will a humble background, immense intelligence, eloquence, and a deep commitment to Mormonism.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:30 pm
by Dr. Shades
Kishkumen wrote:He shares with Will a humble background, immense intelligence, eloquence, and a deep commitment to Mormonism.

Will Schryver is eloquent?

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 3:42 am
by Drifting
It seems Kevin Graham is somewhat more successful as a Prophet than the current incumbant...

It would also appear that when DCP stated he wasn't paid to edit The Review what he meant to say was that he was paid to do it.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:01 am
by Nomomo
Kishkumen wrote:He shares with Will a humble background, immense intelligence, eloquence, .....

You're cracking me up.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:15 am
by Kishkumen
Nomomo wrote:
Kishkumen wrote:He shares with Will a humble background, immense intelligence, eloquence, .....

You're cracking me up.


They are both highly talented men who came from humble backgrounds. I don't see how that is untrue or funny.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 5:46 am
by Chap
Kishkumen wrote:He shares with Will a humble background, immense intelligence, eloquence, .....
Kishkumen wrote:
Nomomo wrote:You're cracking me up.


They are both highly talented men who came from humble backgrounds. I don't see how that is untrue or funny.


How can I say this?

The same situation can present itself to different people in different ways - in terms, for example, of whether one sees a slip on a banana-skin as a welcome puncturing of overblown self-esteem (and therefore essentially ludicrous), or a minor accident that causes a moment of mild concern to the observer, before one is reassured to see that no harm has been done.

In the case of DCP and Schryver, there are some of us here (including, I am certain, highly talented people from humble backgrounds) who have mostly seen the pair of them as essentially ludicrous figures, whose energy and intelligence just went to intensify the overall impression, and whose occasional flashes of sheer nastiness have acted as a prophylactic against sympathy when they suffer misfortunes they would certainly have been happy to have seen inflicted on others.

To people in that situation, your original statement looks like irony, though I am sure you meant it quite sincerely.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:01 am
by Kishkumen
Chap wrote:How can I say this?

The same situation can present itself to different people in different ways - in terms, for example, of whether one sees a slip on a banana-skin as a welcome puncturing of overblown self-esteem (and therefore essentially ludicrous), or a minor accident that causes a moment of mild concern to the observer, before one is reassured to see that no harm has been done.

In the case of DCP and Schryver, there are some of us here (including, I am certain, highly talented people from humble backgrounds) who have mostly seen the pair of them as essentially ludicrous figures, whose energy and intelligence just went to intensify the overall impression, and whose occasional flashes of sheer nastiness have acted as a prophylactic against sympathy when they suffer misfortunes they would certainly have been happy to have seen inflicted on others.

To people in that situation, your original statement looks like irony, though I am sure you meant it quite sincerely.


Ah. OK. Yes, I can see why people might think that I was being ironic, but I was not, and I have never been insincere about my honest admiration for the talents and learning of these guys. I disagree with some of the things they do, deeply disagree, but I still appreciate their good points.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 6:16 am
by Tator
Kishkumen wrote:Ah. OK. Yes, I can see why people might think that I was being ironic, but I was not, and I have never been insincere about my honest admiration for the talents and learning of these guys. I disagree with some of the things they do, deeply disagree, but I still appreciate their good points.


"Admiration for the talents and learning"? I have a certain respect for it but admiration? I do have to admit that "eloquent" made me laugh......hysterically! Especially for Will eloquent would be one of the last words I could use to describe him.

Re: Changes to come for NAMIR

Posted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 7:04 am
by Kishkumen
Tator wrote:"Admiration for the talents and learning"? I have a certain respect for it but admiration? I do have to admit that "eloquent" made me laugh......hysterically! Especially for Will eloquent would be one of the last words I could use to describe him.


I stated my opinion. I won't argue about it.