why am I in need of redemption? not perfect?

how does a perfect being create an imperfect me?

mormonism, like christianity in general, is just asschat.

BTW, Shinedown's 2008 'Sound of Madness' CD is pure truth, genius. Buy it. Listen to it until your bosom burns. Then you'll know it is true. Until you realize that, you are not sincere, you are not applying Moroni's promise properly.

You might think that a perfect creator could create nothing but perfection? Well, obviously God creates junk, so what does that say about him?

Hello lucretia,

Many of your gripes with regards to God can be reconciled by looking into the possibility of reincarnation. Our life on earth is really another opportunity to evolve rather than some sort of test.

That's because we aren't the product of a perfect god. We are the product of God's kid brother.

Because you are no longer as God created you.

How was I when I was as god created me, that I am now no longer?

small. very very small. and in an environment where no sin was possible.

The better question might be... why did God create an environment in which man could not only sin, but where it was impossible NOT to sin?

What is your theory? why did perfect god create an environment in which it is impossible for man NOT to sin?

I think God is the Devil. Clearly only an Evil Creator could create Evil.

If jehovah is supposed to be only good, and lucifer only bad, did they start out as a single soul with good and bad, and his bi-polarization of good and bad became so pronounced that the cognitive dissonance too great to continue, and like cell division in a blastocyte, there was soul division, one free of bad and the other free of good? Now, they are ying and yang, each needing to play off the existence and efforts of the other, eternally linked in struggle with the other?

Is that what is in store for us, which have both good and bad impulses? Soul division? I hope not. That would be so one dimensional and boring.

Because we need sin (keep in mind that sin is in the mind of the beholder).

This premise assumes there is such a being as Satan.

and such a being a jehovah. It is entirely hypothetical.

Man's ability to get himself into trouble is easily documented. Satan... not so much.

The process of creation has resitance to Gods intention. Nobody knows the particulars of how that works but whether or not you know the primal levals of that resistence you will have to live with the results which are yourself and the world we share.

Because She isn't perfect.

I reject the idea of a god who participates in this world, and I'm very comfortable with that. No salvation necessary because there was never condemnation. Be that as it may, reincarnation is interesting. I don't exactly believe in it, and I don't exactly not believe in it.

So, Sleepyhead, where are you coming from here? Do you follow an Eastern path or trying to be some kind of hybrid Mormon/Buddhist?

This would be the CK.? Where God raises his spirit children. A land of things.....houses, dogs, newspapers, farmers, electric grids, politicians....kinda similar to another incarnation, almost like reincarnation? But, no sin. Hmm.... That complicates things. It's hard to summon up the image of a land of all white, no black.....not even grey.
Lets say in this land god has 1 million wives, and 10 billion kids. If he were to prefer the company of Betty over Linda, because she is more fun, wouldn't that be kinda sinful? If Linda found out she would be sad. Would being sad be a sin? One would have to be happy to the nth degree all the time, for to fall below it....would be a sin. Sounds to me like a place where one would have to sit in a corner and not think, for fear of having a lessor thought.

Created perfect in the beginning, but fallen. The fallen nature is inherited.

But I just can't seem to comprehend this perfect being concept. A perfect being could never have a thought, as a lessor thought would condemn them. A person would always have to maintain an exact level of bliss, no more no less, for to have an off bliss day would condemn them. I'm happy, but I'm not quite as happy as I was 10 seconds ago because my program is in commercial.

We aren't gods. God is perfect by nature we are not. We are perfected, in and through Jesus Christ. The Christian concept of being perfect, tied very tightly if not completely to, loving perfectly. As God does.

When I said created perfect, I meant as God meant us to be...God called creation Good, in the beginning. The fall put us under what Jesus called, the "king of this world", whom He has defeated. Christ is King. The "job" of a Christian, is to act like this is understood! We fail, often quite miserably. God has not abandoned us in our sin. He has lifted us up.