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 Post subject: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 8:45 am 
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Hello MDB,

I started thinking back on my life and came to a gentle realization that I am approximately 5% gay. Some people are more, some are less, but everyone has at least some of it in them. At least, this is the conclusion I've come to after pondering late last night while in the throes of Pinterest posting.

From as early as I can remember, I have always held some man (or two) in high regard due to their looks and manners. Early on, it was Han Solo and Robbie Bosco. I admired both for their maintenance of style under pressure. Later on, I developed this quiet man-crush for the local ditch tender near my grandpa's farm. I used to love it when he would give me the thumbs up while driving by in his pickup truck. For many years, I shared a sense of admiration for Robert Redford along with my mother, who would often mention him and his wonderful blonde hair.

Today, I have a deep admiration for Paul Newman. Oh, what I wouldn't do to have an hour to sit and play cards with him!

To keep the record straight, I'm inclined to remind you of my non-gayness... 95%...or is it 90%? Anyway, I had a HUGE crush on Mary Poppins for many years. I had this little picture book with vinyl record that I would use to feed soul with joy. I played "A spoon full of sugar" over and over for days! I was disappointed to find out she was the same woman as Maria the Nanny. Somehow, she lost the status of muse when I found she really could not fly.

Maybe some people would say that I've suddenly become 5% gay due to my loss in faith in Mormonism. Some people might think I've always been 0% gay and suddenly started pretending I like some dudes. Maybe people think I've been obsessed with images and have lost the spirit. Whatever the reason people come up with, I feel they do it in order to ensure that gayness is not made up of shades of gray in many of us.
Maybe I'm disappointed in the prevailing attitudes of my Mormon family/friends regarding gay marriage. I refuse to engage with them on the subject so I have come here to vent. Thank you.

Have a WONDERFUL day!

Zee.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:00 am 
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sure. I agree. I'm probably closer to 20%. I know that's weird. I still don't have a desire to boink a man, but I sure like 'em--and happily and openly acknowledge the good lookin' ones.

With this revelation of your's, the question becomes does the percentage change over time?

Can someone be oh say 20%, like me, and in ten years go to 50%, or the opposite, go to the narrow and closed minded, 5% like Z (I'm just kidding about narrow, closed minded, so settle down)?

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:04 am 
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stemelbow wrote:
sure. I agree. I'm probably closer to 20%. I know that's weird. I still don't have a desire to boink a man, but I sure like 'em--and happily and openly acknowledge the good lookin' ones.

With this revelation of your's, the question becomes does the percentage change over time?

Can someone be oh say 20%, like me, and in ten years go to 50%, or the opposite, go to the narrow and closed minded, 5% like Z (I'm just kidding about narrow, closed minded, so settle down)?


You get to choose...apparently...

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:14 am 
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stemelbow wrote:
I still don't have a desire to boink a man...


The desire to boink defines your orientation?

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:22 am 
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zeezrom wrote:
The desire to boink defines your orientation?


Didn't say that.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 9:23 am 
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Obesession with boinkiness defines Mormons.

Zeez, I like your attitude. You interests are somewhat less masculine than those of other men, so to make the message clear, you are breaking the stereotype that interests define orientation. :idea: :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:16 am 
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I self identify as straight, but I certainly lean more towards the center of the spectrum. I think I'm between a 1 and 2 on the Kinsey scale. I sometimes speculate that I am a gay man in a straight woman's body...but that can't be right. :wink:

People aren't so binary as some would like them to be.

DAMMIT WHY AREN'T PHOTOS WORKING?!?!?!?!?!

It's just wrong to keep people who love each other from being together and making it legally recognized, if they so desire.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:33 am 
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I'm all for fluid sexuality, and perhaps I need some correction, but having an affinity for what would be defined as traditionally 'female' pursuits does not make a person a certain percentage gay. Tailoring, an appreciation of fashion, and an appreciation of the male and female figure are masculine pursuits, in my opinion.

Idolizing someone of the same sex is normal.

Zee, I applaud you for opening up online, and I'd encourage you to explore your sexuality more. I'm not expert (god, I hope an expert weighs in here and corrects me soon), but I think, before you declare yourself 'x%' gay, you need to explore your sexual desires and affinities.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 11:39 am 
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LDSToronto wrote:
I'm all for fluid sexuality, and perhaps I need some correction, but having an affinity for what would be defined as traditionally 'female' pursuits does not make a person a certain percentage gay. Tailoring, an appreciation of fashion, and an appreciation of the male and female figure are masculine pursuits, in my opinion.

Idolizing someone of the same sex is normal.

Zee, I applaud you for opening up online, and I'd encourage you to explore your sexuality more. I'm not expert (god, I hope an expert weighs in here and corrects me soon), but I think, before you declare yourself 'x%' gay, you need to explore your sexual desires and affinities.

H.


You are correct Canada. Gay is about who you are sexually attracted to.

I forgot, I'm pansexual. Yay me!

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 12:47 pm 
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I was sort of thinking that my admiration of these men was slightly sexual. Honestly, that is a challenge to admit. For me, sexuality is much more than the binary extreme. I'm winging it here...

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:03 pm 
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VERY interesting thread! I hope everyone makes a comment. I'd love to hear what everyone thinks of this subject.

Personally, I don't think I've ever had a physical attraction to a male. I honestly don't understand why women find men attractive. We're such obnoxious, smelly, hairy beasts.

I do have a few very close male friends that I have to say I do love, but only in a platonic way. I never had a brother, so maybe they are filling in for me in that role.

I work in the arts and (like Z) I do love baking and cooking. I don't know if that slides me up the scale in any way.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:10 pm 
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Hi everyone, this is my first time to post and how fun that the topic is sex right off the bat.

I'm a guy who is very happily married. We have a loving emotional and very fun, spontaneous, awesome sex life. And yet, I totally think (some) guys are hot and I even fantasize about them. I love being a man in every way, and I think our society is too dichotomizing. I wish guys could touch more. I want to hug and put my arm around the men I love. I want to show them physically that I like being with them, and I want to receive physical affection from other men, but that is so hard in our culture. I am often in situations where gay men interact with other gay men, and I feel so jealous of how they are able to touch each other like that. They know that I'm all for it, and I get some affection from them, too, and that's really nice. Just wish there could be more in this old world.


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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:26 pm 
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I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:32 pm 
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I am 110% straight. I am happily married with kids. The weird thing is, when I go to the porn shop, I am drawn to the gay porn section more than the regular porn section. I tend to prefer the gay porn. I've tried watching regular porn, but it isn't as intriguing to me. Something is missing. I'm not sure if it is the plot, or the acting that makes gay porn better. Maybe it's the more manly cast, like 300 or Gladiator. I tend to prefer porn featuring Roman soldiers and lots of action, probably because I like action and adventure movies, being a typical guy.

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 3:34 pm 
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Hi everyone, this is my first time to post and how fun that the topic is sex right off the bat.

Welcome to the board. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:32 pm 
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I've tried very hard to be a gay man, but I guess it isn't a choice, afterall...

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:36 pm 
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Blixa wrote:
I've tried very hard to be a gay man, but I guess it isn't a choice, afterall...


IKR?

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 5:54 pm 
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60/40 but guys are a lot easier to pick up, women expect you to talk to them first :wink:

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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 6:44 pm 
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I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.

LOL! :lol:

This is an interesting OP, Zee.

I have always thought that sexuality was really on a continuum. There are women I have found myself sexually attracted to, and even experimented a little in college. I have always found the female form very beautiful to look at..particularly some of the classic nude paintings and sculptures.

At the same time, I really could never imagine myself in a long-term relationship with a woman. I enjoy being married, and the male/female dynamic that goes along with it.


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 Post subject: Re: Shades of gray
PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 7:08 pm 
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DarkHelmet wrote:
I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body.
To me, that comment is a real turn-on. Men who only participate in manly pursuits really don't have anything to talk to women about. The only conection is boinking, and just that gets awfully :eek: boring.
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I honestly don't understand why women find men attractive. We're such obnoxious, smelly, hairy beasts.
I don't know, either. I guess the body parts fit together.

Jutst tone down the masculinity, guys. Really, you get so insecure-- I know, it is BY's culture.

On the other hand, I really don't respect a man who is totally ignorant about auto mechanics.

I have been pal-ing around with my son's GF, since he is temporarily-- absent-- and it is fun. I still don't know what he sees in her, but she is such a sweet spirit, you know.

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