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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:03 am 
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Can Romney even make a remark about the evils of Racism?

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 Post subject: Re: Pot calling the Kettle Black (link)
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:15 am 
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Sure he can.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:42 am 
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bcspace wrote:
Sure he can.


This coming from a person who defends an organization that accepted a Curse of Cain Male for the payment of Tithing.


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 Post subject: Re: Pot calling the Kettle Black (link)
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:13 pm 
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Romney can and should comment on the racism of blacks against whites or vice versa. As for the ban, it has already been determined that it cannot possibly have been racist as neither skin color or any other inborn trait brought the ban about.

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 Post subject: Re: Pot calling the Kettle Black (link)
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:24 pm 
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bcspace wrote:
Romney can and should comment on the racism of blacks against whites or vice versa. As for the ban, it has already been determined that it cannot possibly have been racist as neither skin color or any other inborn trait brought the ban about.


I am certainly glad that's resolved. Similarly, my theory explains why the Church is not homophobic, because the Church doesn't know why some people are gay, and official LDS doctrine does not preclude gay sex.

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PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:26 pm 
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Romney can and should comment on the racism of blacks against whites or vice versa. As for the ban, it has already been determined that it cannot possibly have been racist as neither skin color or any other inborn trait brought the ban about.


You keep using that word.


I do not think it means what you think it means.

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bcspace wrote:
Romney can and should comment on the racism of blacks against whites or vice versa. As for the ban, it has already been determined that it cannot possibly have been racist as neither skin color or any other inborn trait brought the ban about.


You keep using that word.


I do not think it means what you think it means.


Huh? Wut? Duh? Derp?

The First Presidency Statement on the Negro Question


August 17, 1949

The attitude of the Church with reference to Negroes remains as it has always stood. It is not a matter of the declaration of a policy but of direct commandment from the Lord, on which is founded the doctrine of the Church from the days of its organization, to the effect that Negroes may become members of the Church but that they are not entitled to the priesthood at the present time. The prophets of the Lord have made several statements as to the operation of the principle. President Brigham Young said: "Why are so many of the inhabitants of the earth cursed with a skin of blackness? It comes in consequence of their fathers rejecting the power of the holy priesthood, and the law of God. They will go down to death. And when all the rest of the children have received their blessings in the holy priesthood, then that curse will be removed from the seed of Cain, and they will then come up and possess the priesthood, and receive all the blessings which we now are entitled to."

President Wilford Woodruff made the following statement: "The day will come when all that race will be redeemed and possess all the blessings which we now have."

The position of the Church regarding the Negro may be understood when another doctrine of the Church is kept in mind, namely, that the conduct of spirits in the premortal existence has some determining effect upon the conditions and circumstances under which these spirits take on mortality and that while the details of this principle have not been made known, the mortality is a privilege that is given to those who maintain their first estate; and that the worth of the privilege is so great that spirits are willing to come to earth and take on bodies no matter what the handicap may be as to the kind of bodies they are to secure; and that among the handicaps, failure of the right to enjoy in mortality the blessings of the priesthood is a handicap which spirits are willing to assume in order that they might come to earth. Under this principle there is no injustice whatsoever involved in this deprivation as to the holding of the priesthood by the Negroes.

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 Post subject: Re: Pot calling the Kettle Black (link)
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 12:31 pm 
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And by the way, bcspace, your ridiculous "we've always been at war with Eastasia" mantra about the priesthood ban is not only false, it is irrelevant to the fact that the LDS Church accepted a human being named Green Flake as a tithing-in-kind payment.

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As for the ban, it has already been determined that it cannot possibly have been racist as neither skin color or any other inborn trait brought the ban about.


Duh....derp.....uuhhhhh.....duh.....derp...........

The First Presidency on the Rights of the Negro

December 15, 1969

To General Authorities, Regional Representatives of the Twelve, Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, and Bishops.

Dear Brethren:

In view of confusion that has arisen, it was decided at a meeting of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to restate the position of the Church with regard to the Negro both in society and in the Church.
..................

The position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affecting those of the Negro race who choose to join the Church falls wholly within the category of religion. It has no bearing upon matters of civil rights. In no case or degree does it deny to the Negro his full privileges as a citizen of the nation.

This position has no relevancy whatever to those who do not wish to join the Church. Those individuals, we suppose, do not believe in the divine origin and nature of the church, nor that we have the priesthood of God. Therefore, if they feel we have no priesthood, they should have no concern with any aspect of our theology on priesthood so long as that theology does not deny any man his Constitutional privileges.

A word of explanation concerning the position of the Church.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints owes its origin, its existence, and its hope for the future to the principle of continuous revelation. "We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God."

From the beginning of this dispensation, Joseph Smith and all succeeding presidents of the Church have taught that Negroes, while spirit children of a common Father, and the progeny of our earthly parents Adam and Eve, were not yet to receive the priesthood, for reasons which we believe are known to God, but which He has not made fully known to man.

Our living prophet, President David O. McKay, has said, "The seeming discrimination by the Church toward the Negro is not something which originated with man; but goes back into the beginning with God....

"Revelation assures us that this plan antedates man's mortal existence, extending back to man's pre-existent state."

President McKay has also said, "Sometime in God's eternal plan, the Negro will be given the right to hold the priesthood."

Until God reveals His will in this matter, to him whom we sustain as a prophet, we are bound by that same will. Priesthood, when it is conferred on any man comes as a blessing from God, not of men.
.................
Faithfully your brethren,
The First Presidency
By Hugh B. Brown
N. Eldon Tanner

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 Post subject: Re: Pot calling the Kettle Black (link)
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:10 pm 
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Darth J wrote:
bcspace wrote:
As for the ban, it has already been determined that it cannot possibly have been racist as neither skin color or any other inborn trait brought the ban about.


Duh....derp.....uuhhhhh.....duh.....derp...........

The First Presidency on the Rights of the Negro

December 15, 1969

To General Authorities, Regional Representatives of the Twelve, Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, and Bishops.

Dear Brethren:

In view of confusion that has arisen, it was decided at a meeting of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve to restate the position of the Church with regard to the Negro both in society and in the Church.
..................

The position of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints affecting those of the Negro race who choose to join the Church falls wholly within the category of religion. It has no bearing upon matters of civil rights. In no case or degree does it deny to the Negro his full privileges as a citizen of the nation.

This position has no relevancy whatever to those who do not wish to join the Church. Those individuals, we suppose, do not believe in the divine origin and nature of the church, nor that we have the priesthood of God. Therefore, if they feel we have no priesthood, they should have no concern with any aspect of our theology on priesthood so long as that theology does not deny any man his Constitutional privileges.

A word of explanation concerning the position of the Church.

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints owes its origin, its existence, and its hope for the future to the principle of continuous revelation. "We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God."

From the beginning of this dispensation, Joseph Smith and all succeeding presidents of the Church have taught that Negroes, while spirit children of a common Father, and the progeny of our earthly parents Adam and Eve, were not yet to receive the priesthood, for reasons which we believe are known to God, but which He has not made fully known to man.

Our living prophet, President David O. McKay, has said, "The seeming discrimination by the Church toward the Negro is not something which originated with man; but goes back into the beginning with God....

"Revelation assures us that this plan antedates man's mortal existence, extending back to man's pre-existent state."

President McKay has also said, "Sometime in God's eternal plan, the Negro will be given the right to hold the priesthood."

Until God reveals His will in this matter, to him whom we sustain as a prophet, we are bound by that same will. Priesthood, when it is conferred on any man comes as a blessing from God, not of men.
.................
Faithfully your brethren,
The First Presidency
By Hugh B. Brown
N. Eldon Tanner

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