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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:43 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:44 pm 
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But then Peterson proceeds to fill out his post by telling an anecdote concerning something said by Uncle Tom Sowell. Why this anecdote? Well, because Schryver's opening post on his blog is in a similar vein: slavery was actually God's will and it should be viewed as a blessing to those lucky Africans who made the trip across the Atlantic in those fancy cruise ships in order to fulfill the will of the Almighty for them to become more like his chosen people (white people, of course) by picking a lifetime worth of pure, delightsome cotton.

I'm speechless. Describing slavery as a "blessing" or "inspired" makes my stomach turn. This is way over the top, even for Dan and Will. What were they thinking?!

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:45 pm 
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Darth J wrote:
Because it is on Schryver's blog, to which the OP has an imbedded link. But you obviously did not read the blog you are defending, or you would know that.


So anything you quote which you do not properly cite can be attributed to anyone you wish, even if they didn't say or write it?

Amazing, Darth J, simply amazing.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:46 pm 
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Simon Belmont, since you just reflexively rush to defend the patrons of your rent boy services without even bothering to see what they wrote on their blogs, here's how I know Schryver quoted that statement approvingly:

http://imetatron.blogspot.com/

Carl M. Franklin, PhD, my new friend from New Orleans, listened patiently to the patronizing arguments of his Yellow Dog Democrat friends, then breathed a sigh and commenced to deliver one of the most impressive and impassioned speeches I have heard in my entire life. His words were eloquent, articulate, and profoundly earnest. I recount them to the best of my recollection:

"My grandfather was born a slave. His fathers, going back five generations, had been slaves, brought to America from Africa in the late 18th century. My grandfather moved to the north after the Civil War and struggled to make a living. My father struggled, too. He left my mother and his children when I was very young, and I never saw him again. My mother struggled to raise us, but she never let us feel sorry for ourselves. She insisted that we go to church. She insisted that we go to school. I was the first in my family to go to college. I worked multiple jobs all through college until I achieved my doctorate. It wasn't easy. I was subjected to lots of prejudice. When I was in college, there were many students and professors who, quite sincerely, did not believe blacks could even do basic mathematics, let alone electrical engineering. But I stuck with it, and notwithstanding the discrimination I encountered from time to time, I overcame all the obstacles in my path and eventually got to where I am today, in an America that has, to a great extent, moved past the racism I faced when I was younger. Now I am an old man. I have lived a rewarding and satisfying life. I have enjoyed the love of a great woman for almost fifty years. Our children are educated and prosperous."

And then his voice softened in volume and intensified in tone as he looked straight at his "Yellow Dog Democrat" acquaintances who were, moments before, advocating that he be rewarded for the suffering of his ancestors in slavery.

"I thank God Almighty that he saw fit to snatch my forefathers from the darkness of their lives in Africa and plant them here in this land where, after not many generations, the majority of them are finally breaking free from the bondage of ignorance and dependence. Yes, slavery is inherently evil. Many suffered, not the least the slave traders and slave owners stained by its shame. But there was a divine purpose in these things, and I refuse to mock God by failing to see His hand in all things. And, most of all, I refuse to see my children returned to the slavery of dependence on those who condescendingly view themselves as our superiors."

The Yellow Dog Democrats sat silently as Dr. Franklin concluded his impressive oration, then summarily finished their drinks and excused themselves from our company.

I stood and extended my hand to Dr. Franklin, who then stood himself and embraced me warmly.

"You are a great man Dr. Franklin, and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance."

"And I yours."

He reached into his pocket, retrieved his card, and pressed it into my palm with his warm, soft hand.

"Carl M. Franklin – Sophisticated Music for All Occasions."

It is now in a frame hanging on my wall. This is the story behind it.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:47 pm 
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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
I'm speechless. Describing slavery as a "blessing" or "inspired" makes my stomach turn. This is way over the top, even for Dan and Will. What were they thinking?!


Well, if you'd bother to actually read what was written you'd discover that this whole thread is one big lying smear-piece on Schryver and Peterson. They didn't say it. It was a quote by am electrical engineer/piano player in New Orleans.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:47 pm 
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Ya gotta dig the cool double-shades thing DCP has going on in this photo:

Daniel C. Peterson, Slavery Apologist

And is it just me, or does Schryver's wife have a pained look hiding behind her strained smile?

Poor Sister Schryver

You've got to feel just a little bit sorry for the poor woman.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:51 pm 
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I thank God Almighty that he saw fit to snatch my forefathers from the darkness of their lives in Nauvoo and plant them here in this land where, after not many generations, the majority of them are finally breaking free from the bondage of ignorance and dependence. Yes, Mormonism is inherently evil. Many suffered, not the least the bureaucracy and paid gerontocracy stained by its shame. But there was a divine purpose in these things, and I refuse to mock God by failing to see His hand in all things. And, most of all, I refuse to see my children returned to the slavery of Mormonism on those who condescendingly view themselves as our superiors.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:51 pm 
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I'm speechless. Describing slavery as a "blessing" or "inspired" makes my stomach turn. This is way over the top, even for Dan and Will. What were they thinking?!


Well, if you'd bother to actually read what was written you'd discover that this whole thread is one big lying smear-piece on Schryver and Peterson. They didn't say it. It was a quote by am electrical engineer/piano player in New Orleans.


Indeed. It is absolutely obvious that Schryver in no way condones the distasteful Uncle-Tom "Thanks for slavery, Lord!" sentiments that he writes into his blog. His distaste is blindingly obvious:

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The Yellow Dog Democrats sat silently as Dr. Franklin concluded his impressive oration, then summarily finished their drinks and excused themselves from our company.

I stood and extended my hand to Dr. Franklin, who then stood himself and embraced me warmly.

"You are a great man Dr. Franklin, and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance."

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:52 pm 
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static wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Simon Belmont, since you just reflexively rush to defend the patrons of your rent boy services without even bothering to see what they wrote on their blogs, here's how I know Schryver quoted that statement approvingly:


And, as any reader can see, William Schryver was writing about this man on his blog. This accomplished New Orleans piano player was giving a sentiment which was his opinion - not Schryver's and not DCP's. In Darth J's knee-jerk reflexiveness to jump on any DCP/Schryver hate bandwagon, he has become very very lazy. He didn't even attribute the quote to anyone, hoping that readers of this thread would just assume Schryver or DCP said it.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:54 pm 
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Chap wrote:
Indeed. It is absolutely obvious that Schryver in no way condones the distasteful Uncle-Tom "Thanks for slavery, Lord!" sentiments that he writes into his blog. His distaste is blindingly obvious:


No. He called him a "great man". If I believe someone to be a great person, that doesn't mean I have to agree with every single opinion or sentiment they possess.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:55 pm 
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DCP sneaking some Chinese take-out while the rest of the clan cook up some sacrificial "blessed Africans" behind the barn at Schryver's house.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 1:59 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Simon Belmont, since you just reflexively rush to defend the patrons of your rent boy services without even bothering to see what they wrote on their blogs, here's how I know Schryver quoted that statement approvingly:


And, as any reader can see, William Schryver was writing about this man on his blog. This accomplished New Orleans piano player was giving a sentiment which was his opinion - not Schryver's and not DCP's. In Darth J's knee-jerk reflexiveness to jump on any DCP/Schryver hate bandwagon, he has become very very lazy. He didn't even attribute the quote to anyone, hoping that readers of this thread would just assume Schryver of DCP quote.


No, Simon. As any reader can see, I assumed that people would actually read the blog at issue before commenting on what it says. And as any reader can plainly see, Schryver approved of the substance of what this man said about slavery. And as any reader can plainly see, whatever name "Simon Belmont" chooses to give his sock puppets, he only brings personal grudges and attempts to start pissing contests about ludicrous non-issues because he has nothing in substance to offer in defense of Joseph's magic polygamy cult or its modern corporate re-imaging.

And Simon Belmont/static/oxygenadam/Nibley'sGhost/Radex/Skywalker/etc., I am not interested in your inane chatter designed to distract people from saying things about your cherished beliefs that you can't address. But if, by some random chance, you ever happen to say something substantive, I will respond.

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:01 pm 
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static wrote:
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Indeed. It is absolutely obvious that Schryver in no way condones the distasteful Uncle-Tom "Thanks for slavery, Lord!" sentiments that he writes into his blog. His distaste is blindingly obvious:


No. He called him a "great man". If I believe someone to be a great person, that doesn't mean I have to agree with every single opinion or sentiment they possess.


Gosh, that is a really amazing riposte. Whenever I want to distance myself from someone's opinion, I always begin by some kind of introduction like this:

Schryver wrote:
Carl M. Franklin, PhD, my new friend from New Orleans, listened patiently to the patronizing arguments of his Yellow Dog Democrat friends, then breathed a sigh and commenced to deliver one of the most impressive and impassioned speeches I have heard in my entire life. His words were eloquent, articulate, and profoundly earnest. I recount them to the best of my recollection:


and I finish like this:

Schryver wrote:
I stood and extended my hand to Dr. Franklin, who then stood himself and embraced me warmly.

"You are a great man Dr. Franklin, and I count myself fortunate to have made your acquaintance."

"And I yours."


That's non-committal neutrality the way I do it. You should see what I do when I really approve of something I quote!

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:03 pm 
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Darth J wrote:
No, Simon. As any reader can see, I assumed that people would actually read the blog at issue before commenting on what it says. And as any reader can plainly see, Schryver approved of the substance of what this man said about slavery. And as any reader can plainly see, whatever name "Simon Belmont" chooses to give his sock puppets, he only brings personal grudges and attempts to start pissing contests about ludicrous non-issues because he has nothing in substance to offer in defense of Joseph's magic polygamy cult or its modern corporate re-imaging.

And Simon Belmont/static/oxygenadam/Nibley'sGhost/Radex/Skywalker/etc., I am not interested in your inane chatter designed to distract people from saying things about your cherished beliefs that you can't address. But if, by some random chance, you ever happen to say something substantive, I will respond.


I really don't care who you think I am. What you've done is participated in a very serious charge which has been shown to be wholly untrue. You disingenuously quoted someone unrelated to the title of the thread as if someone in the thread title said it. Neither did. Perhaps if you were honest, this would make sense, but that is obviously above you.

For example, using your methods, I could quote


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I hate all Mormons


I can attribute that to you, since I didn't specifically cite you. Since I am currently replying to you, readers will believe I am quoting you. I expect that people will read the entire thread before reading this post!

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
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Sweet Jesus, Simon, haven't you humiliated Mormons enough by your presence on this board? Have you no mercy on them at all?

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 Post subject: Re: Peterson and Schryver: Slavery Was a Blessing to Blacks
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:05 pm 
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Chap wrote:
Gosh, that is a really amazing riposte. Whenever I want to distance myself from someone's opinion, I always begin by some kind of introduction like this:


Because there is nothing about this man other than this single quote he said. He's so one dimensional that when Schryver said that he enjoyed his company, he was only referring to the quote, not anything else about the man.

Garsh!

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:05 pm 
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Well, if you'd bother to actually read what was written you'd discover that this whole thread is one big lying smear-piece on Schryver and Peterson. They didn't say it. It was a quote by am electrical engineer/piano player in New Orleans.

But both Will and Dan (as I read their posts) quote those words with apparent approval (with Dan finding some "good" coming from slavery, and Will congratulating the man who describes slavery as a "blessing").

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Rollo Tomasi wrote:
But both Will and Dan (as I read their posts) quote those words with apparent approval (with Dan finding some "good" coming from slavery, and Will congratulating the man who describes slavery as a "blessing").


So? I find some good in almost everything. I find at least one good thing about the Nazi Regime: they made the Volkswagen. The rest is horrendous, but there is some measure of good. Nothing is all bad or all good, you see.

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:09 pm 
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Because it does not change the meaning or importance of the first statement. The idea of God and human invention, being able to bring good in the future out of past evil does not justify the past evil.

Of course it changes the meaning of the first statement. He is choosing to offer some kind of silver lining to the institution of slavery by referencing some crappy, historically ignorant statement about some guy being glad he didn't have to grow up in an African hell hole. By this logic, the people in Africa who ended up being slaves were the lucky ones. Are you starting to see the issue yet?


I have paused a bit to see if it would seep in. No i do not see the issue. I see that some Blacks are glad they live in the US. Some are not. There are reasons not to be glad. Should we not try to make the future better? I do not think a desire not to hide the evils of the past would be good reason to not make the future better.


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Chap wrote:
Gosh, that is a really amazing riposte. Whenever I want to distance myself from someone's opinion, I always begin by some kind of introduction like this:


Because there is nothing about this man other than this single quote he said. He's so one dimensional that when Schryver said that he enjoyed his company, he was only referring to the quote, not anything else about the man.

Garsh!


Yup. he was not referring to what the man said at all. That's why he introduces his quote with these words:

Schryver wrote:
Carl M. Franklin, PhD, my new friend from New Orleans, listened patiently to the patronizing arguments of his Yellow Dog Democrat friends, then breathed a sigh and commenced to deliver one of the most impressive and impassioned speeches I have heard in my entire life. His words were eloquent, articulate, and profoundly earnest. I recount them to the best of my recollection:

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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:12 pm 
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Oh, dear God, please, please, PLEASE let Schryver be published by the Maxwell Institute, and let that be merely a steeping stone to the glorious day when his work will be found in the Ensign.

And please, PLEASE let Schryver continue to influence his "friends" at the Maxwell Institute to do astoundingly stupid things like Peterson did by announcing and endorsing Schryver's blog and then joining him as charter members of the Mormon Apologists for Slavery Klan (MASK).

I'm sure the Romney campaign can't wait until this story starts making the rounds. Nothing like having the chief Mormon apologist and his racist/misogynist/liar-for-the-Lord lackey working overtime to address the vexing problems of Mormon history. :lol:!

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