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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 2:46 pm 
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Kevin?

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Gee, Wade. Kevin hasn't responded to your thread so far. What conclusions do you draw from that?

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 9:12 pm 
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Gee, Wade. Kevin hasn't responded to your thread so far. What conclusions do you draw from that?

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:07 pm 
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I am sure this was well intended. However, it is clear that it is made by some more expert in how to lose faith rather than how to retain and grow in faith. And, since Kevin's stated desire is to gain faith, I hope you will forgive me if I rely instead on the wisdom and advise of the experts on how to succeeded in faith.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Wade? Hello. Um, what exactly are your credentials and who are these experts on how to succeed in faith.
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The fact that you think that there actually are experts of faith in a day and age of NO ZION is just plain stupid. I guess you already sought professional help with that and probably got a degree. Hmm, BYU?

How could I resist this great tease? Paul for hell sake please put on a shirt already. Damn, you are like that kid at Los Hermanos in Provo yesterday mincing about in stuttered step as the host(ess). Give it a rest.

Whether or not I ever return will reside squarely on Wade's willingness to face his hypocrisy in the burning and effulgent rays of REAL SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE. [you all know that's me and only me, see, listen up pal, hear what I sayin', yeah, I'm Mr Big, me, I tell ya, and everybody else here in Key Largo. Gimmie!]

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:10 pm 
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wenglund wrote:

I am sure this was well intended. However, it is clear that it is made by some more expert in how to lose faith rather than how to retain and grow in faith. And, since Kevin's stated desire is to gain faith, I hope you will forgive me if I rely instead on the wisdom and advise of the experts on how to succeeded in faith.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Wade? Hello. Um, what exactly are your credentials and who are these experts on how to succeed in faith.
HOLY LOL
The fact that you think that there actually are experts of faith in a day and age of NO ZION is just plain stupid. I guess you already sought professional help with that and probably got a degree. Hmm, BYU?

How could I resist this great tease? Paul for hell sake please put on a shirt already. Damn, you are like that kid at Los Hermanos in Provo yesterday mincing about in stuttered step as the host(ess). Give it a rest.

Whether or not I ever return will reside squarely on Wade's willingness to face his hypocrisy in the burning and effulgent rays of REAL SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE. [you all know that's me and only me, see, listen up pal, hear what I sayin', yeah, I'm Mr Big, me, I tell ya, and everybody else here in Key Largo. Gimmie!]


LOL @ "HOLY LOL". "HOLY LOL" is the best LOL I've ever seen.


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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:16 pm 
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Nightlion wrote:

Wade? Hello. Um, what exactly are your credentials and who are these experts on how to succeed in faith.
HOLY LOL
The fact that you think that there actually are experts of faith in a day and age of NO ZION is just plain stupid. I guess you already sought professional help with that and probably got a degree. Hmm, BYU?

How could I resist this great tease? Paul for hell sake please put on a shirt already. Damn, you are like that kid at Los Hermanos in Provo yesterday mincing about in stuttered step as the host(ess). Give it a rest.

Whether or not I ever return will reside squarely on Wade's willingness to face his hypocrisy in the burning and effulgent rays of REAL SPIRITUAL EXPERIENCE. [you all know that's me and only me, see, listen up pal, hear what I sayin', yeah, I'm Mr Big, me, I tell ya, and everybody else here in Key Largo. Gimmie!]


LOL @ "HOLY LOL". "HOLY LOL" is the best LOL I've ever seen.


I see that I have yet again underestimated myself. I thought for sure one would come to praise my Cagney and here you are praising me.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:49 am 
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Drifting wrote:
wenglund wrote:
In a thread on the other board, the much beloved Kevin Graham said something along the line that he would really like to have faith. Assuming his stated desire is genuine, and given that he has evidently been banned from the other board, I have decided to come here to see if I can help him with his unbelief.

To be clear, I have no other interest here than that. For Kevin's sake, I am making this one exception to my self-banning at this board, and will only be responding to relevant posts to this thread.

At the outset I think it wise to first make sure whether Kevin would really like to have faith in God and the restored gospel of Christ, and whether he is willing and ready to have his mind and heart opened once again to spiritual growth. Are you?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Having faith in God and having faith in the restored Gospel (Mormonsm) are, for most people, two entirely separate things. Are you happy to treat them separately?


Bumpage for Wade Diddlyade...

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:35 am 
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Darth J wrote:
Gee, Wade. Kevin hasn't responded to your thread so far. What conclusions do you draw from that?


Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that Kevin doesn't post here every day. Since I have been away from here for a long while and haven't checked the other threads, I will have to take that persons word for it.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:39 am 
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wenglund wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Gee, Wade. Kevin hasn't responded to your thread so far. What conclusions do you draw from that?


Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that Kevin doesn't post here every day. Since I have been away from here for a long while and haven't checked the other threads, I will have to take that persons word for it.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


He's posting now. Clearly he's not interested in your charade.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:44 am 
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Nightlion wrote:
How could I resist this great tease? Paul for hell sake please put on a shirt already. Damn, you are like that kid at Los Hermanos in Provo yesterday mincing about in stuttered step as the host(ess). Give it a rest.


Hell no, I'm full of energy and ain't stopping. How about pulling out the beams out of your own nasty eyes before finding fault with me? You can't tell me you're not a nasty boy from time to time. All boys are nasty -- and some are very naughty.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 8:51 am 
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wenglund wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Gee, Wade. Kevin hasn't responded to your thread so far. What conclusions do you draw from that?


Earlier in the thread someone mentioned that Kevin doesn't post here every day. Since I have been away from here for a long while and haven't checked the other threads, I will have to take that persons word for it.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


He doesn't want to talk to you because you're a creep. Don't you know that? Tell me why Kevin should have faith in a church that professes the silly Explanations of Facsimile No. 3? You want to push your faith on Kevin but you're unwilling to stand up for the Facsimile. Why is that? I think it's because you don't believe the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are true. Isn't that right, Wade-boy?

Lift up your hands high above your head and lower them while repeating after me:

"The Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are not true"

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:04 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Having faith in God and having faith in the restored Gospel (Mormonsm) are, for most people, two entirely separate things. Are you happy to treat them separately?


Since this thread isn't directed to "most people," and given the context of Kevin's stated wish (as a former believer in the restored gospel), and given that I am coming from the perspective of the restored gospel, then in this specific case it wouldn't make sense on a number of levels to treat them separately.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:14 am 
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Buffalo wrote:
He's posting now. Clearly he's not interested in your charade.


If he wasn't interested he would have said so. Have you ever known Kevin to not speak his mind?

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:24 am 
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He's posting now. Clearly he's not interested in your charade.


If he wasn't interested he would have said so. Have you ever known Kevin to not speak his mind?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Yes.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 9:44 am 
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wenglund wrote:
Buffalo wrote:
He's posting now. Clearly he's not interested in your charade.


If he wasn't interested he would have said so. Have you ever known Kevin to not speak his mind?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-



In another thread, started by Kevin and sure to be read by him, I posted the following:

viewtopic.php?p=591667#p591667

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Kevin, I feel I should mention that a number of us are quite disturbed by your failure to respond to Wade Englund's generous offer to help you with faith issues, on a thread he has created for that specific purpose.

I for one feel that your chilling failure to seize with both hands this opportunity to be helped by such an experienced and sensitive spiritual guide calls in question your entire character, not just your sincerity as a seeker after truth.


If he doesn’t contact you after that, what more can be done? But you will just stay there, waiting, miaowling and occasionally scratching at the door ....

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:26 am 
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If he doesn’t contact you after that, what more can be done?


There is more that might be done. However, your comment should suffice. If Kevin doesn't show up on this thread in the next 24 hours, I will consider it a tacit rejection of my request and be on my merry way.

In the interim, the good folks here are free to add another 8 or 9 pages of vigorous though tangential verbal gesticulations to this thread--like the following:

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But you will just stay there, waiting, miaowling and occasionally scratching at the door ....


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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 10:32 am 
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wenglund wrote:
Drifting wrote:
Having faith in God and having faith in the restored Gospel (Mormonsm) are, for most people, two entirely separate things. Are you happy to treat them separately?


Since this thread isn't directed to "most people," and given the context of Kevin's stated wish (as a former believer in the restored gospel), and given that I am coming from the perspective of the restored gospel, then in this specific case it wouldn't make sense on a number of levels to treat them separately.

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


Well then, you are not concerned with Kevin's faith in God, merely his faith in Mormonism. Thanks for clearing that up.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:03 am 
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Drifting wrote:
Well then, you are not concerned with Kevin's faith in God, merely his faith in Mormonism. Thanks for clearing that up.


Just to clarify, the peg of my well-rounded comment doesn't fit the square hole of your false dichotomy. Sorry.

However, since I am not here to debate or argue, you are free to read into my comment whatever you wish.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 11:10 am 
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wenglund wrote:
At the outset I think it wise to first make sure whether Kevin would really like to have faith in God and the restored gospel of Christ, and whether he is willing and ready to have his mind and heart opened once again to spiritual growth. Are you?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-


You seem to be contradicting your OP.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
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Drifting wrote:
You seem to be contradicting your OP.


Like I said, you are free to read into my comments whatever you wish. For my part, I don't intend to say anything further on this tangent. I will let you have the last word.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:51 pm 
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Wade,

Anyone with half a brain in their head and a basic familiarity with your history would not believe for one nanosecond that you truly just want to "help". You've consistently use the pretense of "helping" to cloak attacking people.

Remember when you tried to "help" gay people by classifying homosexuality with bestiality, pedophilia, and necrophilia? Remember when you tried to "help" people committing logical fallacies by creating a website making fun of them? Remember when you tried to "help" people who had lost faith in the church by telling them they were fundamentalist thinkers, or psychologically damaged? Remember when you tried to "help" people by mirroring their "bad behavior" - ie, attacking them?

EA summed it up quite nicely earlier on this thread. Your problem is that you enjoy attacking people, you enjoy the dirty fighting, but you can't admit it to yourself, so you create this fantasy wherein you're just trying to "help".

I hope you're at least fooling yourself with this game, because I doubt you're fooling anyone else who knows your posting history.

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 Post subject: Re: Helping Kevin Graham's Unbelief
PostPosted: Wed May 23, 2012 1:57 pm 
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I hope you're at least fooling yourself with this game, because I doubt you're fooling anyone else who knows your posting history.


Oh, I think it's abundantly clear that he has himself completely snowed.

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