It is currently Thu Jan 18, 2018 3:01 am

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 254 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 1:31 am 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
Chap, you need to think a lot deeper. Brigham Young, like some Biblical prophets, stated wrong opinions. However, if you look at all the things he said and taught objectively, you will see something there that you can't find in apostate Christendom, and that is some remarkable revelations and truths! Fifty-five wives? So what? David and Solomon had many more than that!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:04 am 
God

Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:52 am
Posts: 7306
gdemetz wrote:
Chap, you need to think a lot deeper. Brigham Young, like some Biblical prophets, stated wrong opinions. However, if you look at all the things he said and taught objectively, you will see something there that you can't find in apostate Christendom, and that is some remarkable revelations and truths! Fifty-five wives? So what? David and Solomon had many more than that!


How could the members of the day tell which of Brighams words were wrong opinion and which we're inspired revelation?

And for that matter, how do we tell the difference?

_________________
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:12 am 
God
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:23 am
Posts: 12251
Location: On the imaginary axis
gdemetz wrote:
Brigham Young, like some Biblical prophets, stated wrong opinions.


Please give me examples of two 'wrong opinions' stated by Brigham Young, paralleled by similar examples of similar 'wrong opinions' from Biblical prophets.

gdemetz wrote:
However, if you look at all the things he said and taught objectively, you will see something there that you can't find in apostate Christendom, and that is some remarkable revelations and truths!


Tell me three of the most 'remarkable revelations and truths' stated by Brigham Young that are found nowhere else. Then tell me how you know independently that these 'truths' are true.

gdemetz wrote:
Fifty-five wives? So what? David and Solomon had many more than that!


Rulers of antiquity often kept harems with large numbers of women in them, subjected vast numbers of people to slavery, forced migration and dispossession, and exterminated whole populations as part of military activity. So that makes it OK for someone in the 19th century to do the same? Neat.

_________________
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 2:20 am 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
OK Chaps, Nathan told David to build a temple when he was asked, and the Lord had to correct him later just as He had to correct Peter when he originally sided with the Jews regarding the circumcision of gentle converts after Paul "withstood him to his face." One remarkable thing that I learned from reading the discourses of Brigham Young was that he explained how Adam was made from the dust of the earth as stated in Genesis and at the same time also the son of God as stated in Luke! apostate Christendom, of course, is too dumb and ignorant to explain such with no true prophets or revelations! Also, God did not have to repent for allowing polygamy before! He is the one to decide when it is right for man to practice it or not!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 3:23 am 
God
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:23 am
Posts: 12251
Location: On the imaginary axis
gdemetz wrote:
OK Chaps, Nathan told David to build a temple when he was asked, and the Lord had to correct him later just as He had to correct Peter when he originally sided with the Jews regarding the circumcision of gentle converts after Paul "withstood him to his face."


That was your answer to:

"Please give me examples of two 'wrong opinions' stated by Brigham Young, paralleled by similar examples of similar 'wrong opinions' from Biblical prophets."

gdemetz wrote:
One remarkable thing that I learned from reading the discourses of Brigham Young was that he explained how Adam was made from the dust of the earth as stated in Genesis and at the same time also the son of God as stated in Luke! apostate Christendom, of course, is too dumb and ignorant to explain such with no true prophets or revelations!


That was your answer to:

"Tell me three of the most 'remarkable revelations and truths' stated by Brigham Young that are found nowhere else. Then tell me how you know independently that these 'truths' are true."

gdemetz wrote:
Also, God did not have to repent for allowing polygamy before! He is the one to decide when it is right for man to practice it or not!


That was your response to:

"Rulers of antiquity often kept harems with large numbers of women in them, subjected vast numbers of people to slavery, forced migration and dispossession, and exterminated whole populations as part of military activity. So that makes it OK for someone in the 19th century to do the same? Neat."

Color me unimpressed.

_________________
Zadok:
I did not have a faith crisis. I discovered that the Church was having a truth crisis.
Maksutov:
That's the problem with this supernatural stuff, it doesn't really solve anything. It's a placeholder for ignorance.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 4:39 am 
God

Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:52 am
Posts: 7306
Chap wrote:
Color me unimpressed.


...but not surprised.

_________________
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 10:37 pm 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
What will it take to impress you Chaps? I didn't have the time to give you all the examples that you asked for! What specific thing don't you understand?!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:12 pm 
abstract
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:26 am
Posts: 3054
gdemetz wrote:
Chap, you need to think a lot deeper. Brigham Young, like some Biblical prophets, stated wrong opinions. However, if you look at all the things he said and taught objectively, you will see something there that you can't find in apostate Christendom, and that is some remarkable revelations and truths! Fifty-five wives? So what? David and Solomon had many more than that!

Look to this bit of wisdom in choosing to deal with a brainwashed mind.

_________________
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:15 pm 
abstract
User avatar

Joined: Sun Oct 25, 2009 7:26 am
Posts: 3054
gdemetz wrote:
Thews, are you still here?! Have you forgotten about the list of all the CHRISTIAN teachings and practices done by the LDS?!? Maybe you need to read that again!!!

Once again, the question is what's "Christian" about Mormon theology? (insert answer here).

_________________
2 Tim 4:3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine.
2 Tim 4:4 They will turn their ears away from the truth & turn aside to myths


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2012 3:26 pm 
Chap wrote:
Rulers of antiquity often kept harems with large numbers of women in them, subjected vast numbers of people to slavery, forced migration and dispossession, and exterminated whole populations as part of military activity. So that makes it OK for someone in the 19th century to do the same? Neat.


:lol: :lol: :lol:


Top
  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Sun Jun 10, 2012 10:40 pm 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
I hope that every truly objective reader here can clearly see to what degree the enemies of the restored church are willing to go to distort the truth!!!

Chaps, are you trying to infer that The saints promoted exterminations, slavery, and had harems, and forced migrations?!? Perhaps, you need to look up the definitions of all these terms so that you can use the proper terms so that some intelligent person may take you more seriously in the future!!!!!!!

Thews, the same goes for you! Here's your example:

"We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely; apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth."

It's called the 6th article of faith for the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, Thews! Do you know of another church that has all these?!?!?!?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 5:27 am 
God

Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:52 am
Posts: 7306
gdemetz wrote:

"We believe in the same organization that existed in the primitive church, namely; apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth."

It's called the 6th article of faith for the church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints, Thews! Do you know of another church that has all these?!?!?!?


I attended Church on Sunday but didn't see any pastors, the teachers were 14 years old and there were no serving evangelists. So even the Mormon Church doesn't have these.

_________________
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:37 pm 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
Pastors are those presiding, evangelists are the patriarchs, and what difference does it make how old the teachers were/are?!?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:41 pm 
God

Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:52 am
Posts: 7306
gdemetz wrote:
Pastors are those presiding, evangelists are the patriarchs, and what difference does it make how old the teachers were/are?!?


So the Deacons Quorum President is a pastor?
Why doesn't the Article Of Faith state 'Patriarch' or why aren't Patriarch's called 'Evangalists'?
Show me the position of Teacher as written about in the Bible.

_________________
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:43 pm 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
1 Corinthians 12:28 and Ephesians 4:11.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 8:41 am 
God

Joined: Mon May 07, 2012 2:43 pm
Posts: 1390
Both quite clearly referring to those who teach rather than the title of an office within a priesthood. Using the patriarch (even as some kind of fortune teller) is quite outside the definition of the word never mind a complete misinterpretation of the word evangelist.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 10:04 pm 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
Hello Albion?! The New Testament is a translation from the Greek! It was translated by the KJ translators as an evangelist, but the office functioned was similar to what is now termed a patriarch but it is OK if you want to call them evangelists, but don't confuse that with the the dummies who make the alter calls! Albion, I have already shot you down on that one, and you have the nerve to bring it up again?!? Do you also think that Bishop Timothy, who received his priesthood by the laying on of hands was nothing more than a teacher?!?


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 2:04 am 
God

Joined: Thu Oct 27, 2011 3:52 am
Posts: 7306
gdemetz wrote:
Hello Albion?! The New Testament is a translation from the Greek! It was translated by the KJ translators as an evangelist, but the office functioned was similar to what is now termed a patriarch but it is OK if you want to call them evangelists, but don't confuse that with the the dummies who make the alter calls! Albion, I have already shot you down on that one, and you have the nerve to bring it up again?!? Do you also think that Bishop Timothy, who received his priesthood by the laying on of hands was nothing more than a teacher?!?


List the Priesthood offices mentioned in the Bible (with scriptural references obviously) and put alongside them the equivalent Priesthood office in today's Mormonism.

_________________
“We look to not only the spiritual but also the temporal, and we believe that a person who is impoverished temporally cannot blossom spiritually.”
Keith McMullin - Counsellor in Presiding Bishopric

"One, two, three...let's go shopping!"
Thomas S Monson - Prophet, Seer, Revelator


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 7:44 am 
God

Joined: Mon May 07, 2012 2:43 pm
Posts: 1390
Drifting, I don't think he will be able to do it. Apart from the mention of Melchizadec in the OT and the connection of that mysterious figure to Jesus in the New Testament, there is no other mention of such a priesthood (one reference in Psalms is prophetic to Jesus). The New Testament does mention priesthood but I think Mormons have been so fixated on the idea of priesthood and the way they graft it into their system that they cannot understand it in any other context. Gdemetz, keeps throwing up the quote about Aaron being "called of god". Well of course he was and the quote is valid in terms of the Levitical priesthood which was the priesthood within the Jewish structure. It was the only priesthood and the Bible makes it clear that it was the exclusive ministry of the Tribe of Levi which would automatically exclude Mormons from holding it were it a priesthood that still had any significance today. Even Jesus could not hold it since he was of the wrong tribe which is why it was necessary for him to become a high priest after the order of Melchizadec to fulfill the role of the high priest by entering the Holy of Holies and making a total and final intercession on behalf of sinners. He did not need to sacrifice animals, as was the custom, but made the ultimate sacrifice of himself. The need for priestly intercessions is over...Christ is the believers high priest making that intercession on behalf of believers.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 4:15 pm 
God

Joined: Mon May 07, 2012 2:43 pm
Posts: 1390
Biblical quote please for Timothy receiving the Mechizedec priesthood. Also Biblical reference for evangelist being the same as patriarch...quotes that are specific not assumptions.


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
 Post subject: Re: The Light of Christ
PostPosted: Wed Jun 13, 2012 9:24 pm 
God

Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 10:59 am
Posts: 1681
Albion, you keep doing it! You state that the New Testament does not mention priesthood! How totally ignorant!!! The New Testament states the:

1- No one should take the priesthood upon himself except the he was called of God as Aaron was called! Does this not tell you the the priesthood was given?!? Wake up, and open those spiritually blind eyes!!!

2- It states specifically that bishop Timothy was given the priesthood by the laying on of hands!!! What difference does it make that it does not state Melchezidek since you are saying that there were no priests!!! The Melchezidek priesthood has the authority to give the gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands, but the Aaronic doesn't, for your information. That is why John the Baptist, being an Essene priest (Aaronic) could not perform the laying on of hands. Instead, the apostles had to do that! You are so ignorant, Albion!

3- "priests and kings," Albion, and you are still going to state that the New Testament doesn't have priests?!?!?!? You are the ultimate spiritually blind evangelical!!!!!!!


Top
 Profile  
Reply with quote  
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 254 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 9, 10, 11, 12, 13  Next

All times are UTC - 8 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], krose and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Jump to:  
Revival Theme By Brandon Designs By B.Design-Studio © 2007-2008 Brandon
Revival Theme Based off SubLite By Echo © 2007-2008 Echo
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group