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Anyway, repeatedly calling a woman who has previously complained about sexist comments from you "baby" when saying she is in over her head is quite sexist.


Yes it is...to Catherine MacKinnon, Naomi Wolf, or Anna Quindlin. Outside of those fever swamps, its nothing more than pushing buttons in a heated debate.

But, in all actuality, you know that, don't you?

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Will wrote that to needle her.


See, even you've got the gist of it now.

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Saying that the same woman would be better served to grab her pompoms and cheer on her boys is even more so.


This is sexist? How many males have you ever seen grab pompoms and cheer anything, E?

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Changing her name to "beastlie" was also another example of how he likes to specifically take shots at the physical appearance of female posters, but that's a minor thing compared to his trying to make sexist jabs.


Upon what basis can the term "beastlie" taken from "beastie" be taken as "sexist?" You see, this is how PC works. Its the basis of the entire diversity movement and the sexual harassment industry on campus and in the corporate world. Any subjective interpretation of something said, no matter how vacuous and arbitrary, will triumph so long as the "victim" is a member of a politically correct grievance class.

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It's an unambiguously sexist post.


Only between your ears. In so rational sense does it hold water.


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I didn't break down the post line by line like you did. My comment was in reference to the post. Droopy, baby, maybe you shouldn't worry your pretty little head about this.


That fantasy can take the place of reality to this degree is the really striking thing about our present era.

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What an amazing thread this is degenerating into.

I can only think of Dr Peterson's comments about how while he is reluctant to point our the bad behavior of certain self proclaimed defenders of the faith ( and this because of his status among them and the embarrassment such public denunciation may cause) he certainly wishes they would stop their as asinine ( my word) actions. I cannot help but think he has Will, Nomad/Will, Droopy and Pahoran at the top of his list. The antics by these persons certainly does not help their cause one whit.


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I can only think of Dr Peterson's comments about how while he is reluctant to point our the bad behavior of certain self proclaimed defenders of the faith ( and this because of his status among them and the embarrassment such public denunciation may cause) he certainly wishes they would stop their as asinine ( my word) actions. I cannot help but think he has Will, Nomad/Will, Droopy and Pahoran at the top of his list. The antics by these persons certainly does not help their cause one whit.



In other words, your own movement out of the Church continues apace. There is an argument going on here, Jason, in case you didn't recognize the fact, that was based in the tendentious personal defamation of a well known LDS apologist, and which demands some response in the public arena.

Take the antics out of your own eye, before grasping for the beams in ours.

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Anyway, repeatedly calling a woman who has previously complained about sexist comments from you "baby" when saying she is in over her head is quite sexist.


Yes it is...to Catherine MacKinnon, Naomi Wolf, or Anna Quindlin. Outside of those fever swamps, its nothing more than pushing buttons in a heated debate.

But, in all actuality, you know that, don't you?

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Will wrote that to needle her.


See, even you've got the gist of it now.

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Saying that the same woman would be better served to grab her pompoms and cheer on her boys is even more so.


This is sexist? How many males have you ever seen grab pompoms and cheer anything, E?


So it is all right to say things to annoy someone that focus specifically on his or her gender?

Like, for instance, Droopy is ... well, for instance, droopy? That's acceptable in civilized discussion? That is how a Mormon priesthood holder can behave if he feels like it?

They must teach different things in Seminary from what I used to get in the cult I was brought up in. But then we did not enjoy the glorious fulness of the gospel, I suppose.

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I can only think of Dr Peterson's comments about how while he is reluctant to point our the bad behavior of certain self proclaimed defenders of the faith ( and this because of his status among them and the embarrassment such public denunciation may cause) he certainly wishes they would stop their as asinine ( my word) actions. I cannot help but think he has Will, Nomad/Will, Droopy and Pahoran at the top of his list. The antics by these persons certainly does not help their cause one whit.



In other words, your own movement out of the Church continues apace. There is an argument going on here, Jason, in case you didn't recognize the fact, that was based in the tendentious personal defamation of a well known LDS apologist, and which demands some response in the public arena.

Take the antics out of your own eye, before grasping for the beams in ours.


I'm not sure how recognizing and pointing out your self-defeating behavior is the same as "movement out of the church." If anything, he's doing the church a favor.

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So it is all right to say things to annoy someone that focus specifically on his or her gender?


Its not sexist...unless it is sexist, but the subjectivity involved leaves far to much wiggle room for the well poisoner to move about in.

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They must teach different things in Seminary from what I used to get in the cult I was brought up in. But then we did not enjoy the glorious fulness of the gospel, I suppose.


Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz...

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Yes there's nothing sexist about dismissively calling a women "baby" while telling her she's in over her head and recommending she just be a cheerleader for the boys. After a history of making sexually demeaning comments to her no less. Only Andrea Dworkin would call that sexist!

If that's the position you want to take Droopy, fine. Maybe you don't understand, though I find that hard to believe. Would you be equally baffled if a black person was called "boy" and told to go find some watermelon to eat? After all, he was younger and watermelon is tasty. What's the problem? Well, the problem is obvious. More likely, you're just a fan of this kind of thing. Which is fine. As long as everyone knows that's what you're about, I think we can leave it at that.


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I invite both Will and Droopy to go into an office building and talk to women like that. See how quickly you are successfully sued for sexual harassment.

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In other words, your own movement out of the Church continues apace.


Yawn. Can't resist the slam about my personal beliefs can you. But no alas dear droops I am fullly active still. Don't worry about me I am quite fine. Just because I believe you, Will and Pahoran continue to act foolishly and hurt the cause you believe in does not make me moving out of the Church. You and your bad apologetics are not the church droopy. Not at all. So I can think you and some others behave like asses and still be quite active. It seems Dr Peterson feels the same. He is just too polite to say so.

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There is an argument going on here, Jason, in case you didn't recognize the fact, that was based in the tendentious personal defamation of a well known LDS apologist, and which demands some response in the public arena.


Yes Droopy. I read the thread. I made comments on the thread. I have watched Will's behavior here. For quite some time. I have been at the brunt of a few of his nasty posts. I have been amazed that a someone wanting to and actually becoming more public in his apologetic hobby would behave like he does at least here on this board.

All that Jack posted was actually accurate accept I cannot opine to the real nasty word and said as much on the other thread. I noted that even with out that word it was clear that Will dug his own hole. That you so tendentiously are defending him is rather amazing to me.

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Take the antics out of your own eye, before grasping for the beams in ours.


Perhaps when you do the same I will think your advice on such things has meaning. Till ten I will pass on it.


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Take the antics out of your own eye, before grasping for the beams in ours.


This is what happens when Droopy tries to post for a moment without his thesaurus.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 01, 2011 7:50 pm 
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In other words, your own movement out of the Church continues apace.


Yawn. Can't resist the slam about my personal beliefs can you. But no alas dear droops I am fullly active still. Don't worry about me I am quite fine. Just because I believe you, Will and Pahoran continue to act foolishly and hurt the cause you believe in does not make me moving out of the Church. You and your bad apologetics are not the church droopy. Not at all. So I can think you and some others behave like asses and still be quite active. It seems Dr Peterson feels the same. He is just too polite to say so.

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There is an argument going on here, Jason, in case you didn't recognize the fact, that was based in the tendentious personal defamation of a well known LDS apologist, and which demands some response in the public arena.


Yes Droopy. I read the thread. I made comments on the thread. I have watched Will's behavior here. For quite some time. I have been at the brunt of a few of his nasty posts. I have been amazed that a someone wanting to and actually becoming more public in his apologetic hobby would behave like he does at least here on this board.

All that Jack posted was actually accurate accept I cannot opine to the real nasty word and said as much on the other thread. I noted that even with out that word it was clear that Will dug his own hole. That you so tendentiously are defending him is rather amazing to me.

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Take the antics out of your own eye, before grasping for the beams in ours.


Perhaps when you do the same I will think your advice on such things has meaning. Till ten I will pass on it.




Thanks for your standard sanctimonious moral grandstanding, but I'm not interested

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Droopy wrote:

Thanks for your standard sanctimonious moral grandstanding, but I'm not interested



This from the person that accuses me of horrific apostasy at every turn, who routinely attacks Harmony and wants to give her a temple recommend, who demean posters that are here be calling this board a cesspool and trailer park but often participate and does so in a judgmental self righteous way, who has a political litmus test for one to be a loyal Latter-day Saint in spite of the church's position against such.....oh and I could go on and on.

How ironic. Once again, pot meet kettle.


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This from the person that accuses me of horrific apostasy at every turn,


I haven't done that for a very, very long time. All I notice here is that you are always on the side of those who have left the Church against the Church, and uniformly against those who find them less that sterling examples of intellectual integrity.

Its like clockwork, Jason, and I'll I've done is take notice of it.

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I thought this topic was about Kinderhook. I guess it is about Schryver and people making comments in favor and against him.


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... standard sanctimonious moral grandstanding...


Which, being interpreted, meaneth: 'Any negative moral evaluation of Droopy's conduct by another person'.

On the other hand, if Droopy makes a negative moral evaluation of another person's conduct, that is an incisive and substantive analysis of neo-liberal posturing and apostate hypocrisy, etc. etc. etc. ....

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MORMONDISCUSSIONS on KINDERHOOK subject in the period of Aug 23, 2011 to Sep 11, 2011

It is amazing that the LDS didn't notice that the plates KINDERHOOK have their MESSAGE in CHARACTERS that are in the LANGUAGE of SABELLICUS people, that typically came from ISRAEL and stayed slave in PHOENICIA and then in GREECE and then went into ANCIENT ITALIA (ITA + LIAh = JACOB's , thus land for ISRAELITES). Thus SABELLICUS is the LANGUAGE for ISRAELITES that were dispersed from ISRAEL and that mixed with PHOENICIAN and GREEK, and that is basically the language of ANCIENT ITALY. And that is basically the language of the Nephites and the language that is in the CHARACTERS of the KINDERHOOK PLATES.

It is possible that the original plates, in the old and good BRASS were replaced by the "modern" brass by some SCIENTISTS of the CHURCH (BYU and ancestors of it), just to justify the idea that the Nephites were in Mexico and Guatemala. Thus adding the FALSE BRASS. But in any way the correct information was added, by photography copying and corroding the false brass, with image fixing on false brass. Nice scientists using all means to justify ends.

http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/ca3d4fa44d118c5f7c37f99db79fa4eb5933b884c7c46c66418ea15adcb2f3986g.jpg

Click on previous URL. It shows the CHARACTERS and text used in LOS LUNAS, NEW MEXICO, for a religious text that is believed to be in Hebraic, for the TEN COMMANDMENTS. In fact it is written the same characters used in the KINDERHOOK PLATES, thus in SABELLICUS characters, thus in NEPHITIC characters, thus is very old ITALICUS characters. The similitude is very great, but the texts are not identical. Thus they were not made by the same person. They are just "similar materials". As Jews were able to translate through some type of Hebrew, it is also possible to translate through some type of Sabellich = Nephitic (the languages are very related).
ELYSAB. But the language LDS=BYU with stone languages of Guatemala and Mexico go nowhere. Maybe to Ideogramas of “monsters” = alike Chinese.

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When we doubt generally is because our lack of information, of science.

And there are organizations, people, groups that try to keep people ignorant. The most typical example was Catholic organizations. Quite like keeping all the information and wisdom for itself. And keeping all people in the age of darkness, in the age of Medieval days. Even Bible people they couldn't read. In fact for that they had to be kept illeterated people.

Who is interested to keep in ignorance and to say USA indians allways were ignorant, not able to write and read? Catholics and Protestants = Christians. (LDS? What they teach? In practice? Did they ever find something from learned USA indians, as some objects with Nephites inscriptions? HUM !!! They are like Catholics...).

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See enlarged, click next URL.
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/018 ... 113b6g.jpg

Fig. 1.
The Grave Creek Stone
Smithsonian photograph 90-9022
(MS 3146, E.H. Davis Collection, National Anthropological Archives)
The Grave Creek Stone was discovered in 1838 during the excavation of the Grave Creek Mound, in Moundsville, West Virginia, on the Ohio River, about 10 miles south of
Wheeling. The stone, an actual photograph of which appears in Figure 1 above, was a
small inscribed sandstone disk, about 1 7/8" (4.8 cm) wide, and 1 1/2" (3.6 cm) high. The reverse side was uninscribed.

AS YOU CAN SEE, IT HAS INSCRIPTION IN SABELLI LANGUAGE (OR SIMILAR ANCIENT ITALIAN LANGUAGE), FOUND IN INDIAN MOUND.

IF IT WAS GOLD, IT WAS MELTED AND DISAPPEARED...

Object found in OHIO RIVER, in an [b]INDIAN MOUND, in 1838, with a text written in Nephitic = sabellic language. Can you read?[/b]

According Joseph Smith, the PROPHET (the one who knew about the Nephitic Empire, not BYU-FAIR scientists, the Nephitic Empire stretched from Cumorah Hill, the one nearby the town of New York, to the Rocky Mountains, passing by the place where Zelph, the White Lamanite, was found next to the Illinois River, thus, next to the Mound where Kinderhooh Plates where found...).

The Indian Inscription above was exactly under the “Indian center line” of Nephitic Empire stretching according Joseph Smith... or not?

Please have a more alternative view, more Jewish like… Examine the WEB Book of 84 pages:

The Ancient Los Lunas New Mexico Hebrew 10 Commandments Stone

Compiled by Glen W. Chapman From Various Sources- April 2006

An Ancient Hebrew Inscription in New Mexico

Fact or Fraud?

by James D. Tabor

http://chapmanresearch.org/PDF/The%20Ancient%20Los%20Lumas%20New%20Mexico%20Hebrew%2010%20Commandments%20Stone.pdf




See my site: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=20022&p=498686#p498686 about MORMONDISCUSSIONS on KINDERHOOK subject

in the period of Aug 23, 2011 to Sep 11, 2011.


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