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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:09 am 
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Then why warn interracial couples? Why does skin color play any factor at all?

Because, to quote myself from the post above, "they (and, perhaps even more so, their children) are likely to face additional external stresses. That's simply realism -- though, fortunately, I think that the stigma and other problems associated with interracial marriage have largely vanished over the past decade or two."


If the "stigma and other problems... have largely vanished", then there is no need to warn them.

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You simply cannot predict what the cultural differences will be based on differences in skin coloration any more than you can based on hair color, eye color, or any other superficial physical characteristic. So why would this be a criteria you use for warning a couple?

Who said that skin color alone was my "criterion"?

I never did, and it wasn't.


You have just admitted that you warn "interracial couples". The only thing that makes a couple interracial is skin color.

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You seem to imagine, moreover, that I go about warning interracial couples that I don't know, in a vacuum.


Never suggested any such thing.

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Scratch is trying to portray as racist the premarital counseling that I did as a bishop. But these were, in every case, couples that I'd known quite well, and for whom I cared deeply, and I counseled with and interviewed them on numerous occasions. And anything that I said regarding the stresses and strains that they might encounter because of ethnic and/or cultural differences was a very small portion of the overall counseling that I did with them.

I don't like divorce. I want couples to go into marriage forewarned and resolved to overcome external challenges as well as the strains intrinsic to their new status. I tried to give realistic, frank, useful advice to the people who came to me to receive it. I don't apologize for that, and I can't think of a single expression, from any of the numerous couples with whom I spent many hours of time, of displeasure or anger at the counsel that I offered.


I'm not capable of or interested in assessing your overall quality of premarital counseling. I am only commenting on your admitted "warning" that you gave to "interracial couples", which is by definition racist.


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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 8:59 am 
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Will Schryver's on-line posting style is not mine. But I've met him in person on several occasions over the years, and there is nothing, so far as I can tell, "creepy" about him.

Your opinion of what William is like in person when he (presumably) isn't talking about anyone's breasts or their repulsive womanhood or their suggestive excesses in the Goddess Suite really means a lot to me.

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(Incidentally, as to the c*** word, did anybody ever actually prove that he used it? He vehemently denies having ever done so, here or anywhere else. That's the worst of the things alleged against him here, and, if I'm not mistaken, several even of his critics on this board came to his defense on that point.)

There is no way to "prove" that he used it. It was deleted by the mod that he said it to and this forum has no change log, and no one took a screenshot of it or anything.

Three people claimed to have seen him use it before it was deleted, one of whom commented within minutes of seeing it and whose comment seems to reflect that it was there. One person who was active in the thread at the time did not remember seeing it, but was not sure whether he saw the post before it was edited or not.

I only recall one critic, Eric, defending William on the point. Others (like Tarski) pointed out that it's perfectly silly to think "c---" is off-limits but the other things William says are no big deal.

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How idiotic of you to claim you would never use the c-word (contra witnesses) and yet freely refer to them using such things as the b-word and then refer to them as "the most repulsive women with whom.....". What is it in the c-word that is bad will? What is contained in that word that isn't already contain in "most repulsive..."? It's like you don't even realize why the c-word is objectionable.

viewtopic.php?p=449954#p449954

If this thread is about to become "Did William really use the c-word? Episode II," I'm officially checking out. The first thread is still there for examination if anyone still cares.

What we have here is a great example of how MsJack is liar. I’m sure she remembers very well that, in the thread where he is alleged to have called harmony the “c” word, the primary person Will was having a discussion with was Rollo Tomasi. Rollo replied to the post where Will allegedly used the word. Liz provided evidence that the post harmony deleted (that supposedly contained the offending word) was up on the board for over 7 hours—from 11:00am to 6:30pm that day. Rollo was the only one to quote Will’s post, and his reply he didn’t mention anything about Will having used such a word. Of course, everyone here knows perfectly well that, if Will had used that word, it would have been a VERY big deal to all the “righteous” people on this board, much more so that the pair of posts where he used the “____” word in describing harmony and beastie, which were both seized on and quoted multiple times over the course of months and even years to show what a bad person Will is. But somehow the sensitive people here let Will’s “c” word offense go unmentioned not just in the 7+ hours on the day he is supposed to have said, but then it went unmentioned on the board for 6 MONTHS until MsJack unveiled the accusation in her “Misogyny” thread.

Will immediately denied having said any such thing, and publicly called out Rollo Tomasi to confirm it, knowing that Rollo would certainly remember if Will had done it, since it was Will and Rollo that were the two main participants in the thread in question.

Rollo finally did reply:

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Sorry I'm so late to this conversation. I just logged in and noted several PM's asking me to comment on the charge of Will calling harmony the "c" word. It's been over 6 months since the thread in question occurred, so my memory is pretty hazy. But I can honestly say that I do not recall ever seeing Will use the "c" word, in that thread or in any other. And given how repulsed I am by that word, I'm pretty sure I would remember if he had. Of course, Will could have used such a word and it was edited out before I saw it, but I have NO evidence at all of this. If memory serves, my statement then to Will about his poor treatment of harmony had more to do with his tone than any profanity, but it certainly wasn't about him using the "c" word (or my response would have been much worse).

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So MsJack conveniently left out the most reliable witness of all that Will never wrote what he is alleged to have written.

Eric simply looked at the all the evidence and came to the correct conclusion that it was a bunch of crapola. And to his credit, he said so. Multiple times.

MsJack is a liar and a propagandist. She has tried to manipulate public opinion, either through lies or blatant misrepresentation. That is what propagandists do. But in this case the evidence was strongly against her lies, and there were many observers, in addition to a first-hand witness (Rollo) who outright denied that Will was guilty of the charges she was making.

There are several pages on her Misogyny thread that discuss this question. I hope anyone who is fair-minded and willing to acknowledge the truth when they see it will check out the part of the thread where this issue is discussed. They too will see clearly that it was all a trumped up lie, and that harmony, MrStakhanovite, and SpurvenTenSing were liars who cynically supported MsJack in her lies.

It's no wonder MsJack doesn't want to revisit that discussion. It really made her look bad, and I'm not surprised that DCP was not persuaded by the case she had to make. Even some of Will's harshest critics weren't convinced, and they had the courage to say so. And that wasn't the only lie in MsJack's thread. She also lied, using out of context quotes and other fabrications, to say taht Will had called women "whores" and "sluts", which he also never did, unless someone wants to stretch it by saying citing a scripture reference (which, if you look it up, contains in part the phrase "whore of all the earth") is the same as calling a woman a "whore" or a "slut".

Again, MsJack is a liar. I've said it before and I'll say it again. She's on some kind of strange crusade to discredit Will Schryver, and she has shown she is willing to do pretty much anything in the interest of her goal. It is character assassination, plain and simple. And I'm just glad that the only people it seems tohave convinced are the bitter anti-mormons that make up most of the participants on this message board.

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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:10 am 
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 9:23 am 
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... And I'm just glad that the only people it seems tohave convinced are the bitter anti-Mormons that make up most of the participants on this message board.


So Schryver's work will be published by the Maxwell Institute after all? I had understood that there was some kind of hold-up, because some people there (probably not for the most part bitter anti-Mormons) found his quaint turns of phrase a little embarrassing.

But that never happened?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:03 am 
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My point is that you were the one who started up with the aggressive rhetoric. You've tried to act is if I was the one who "fired the first shot."

You insinuated that I was a racist.

(You've done so again on this very thread.)


Your advice to your parishioners (if that was indeed your advice) *was* racist.

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You don't call that aggressive?


No. On that old thread I went out of my way to avoid inflammatory rhetoric. As I said, you repeated over and over and over: "Am I a racist?? Am I a racist?" You *insisted* that I get more aggressive. When I didn't, the mods put me in the queue.

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You came on the board to attack me. I had never heard of you until you appeared and began to attack me.


Oh, good grief. Do you have all my old FAIR posts saved? You're retroactively creating a self-pitying fantasy.

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Of course it didn't matter in the least that you had no evidence--no link; no screen shot; nothing

Virtually all RFM posts disappear after a few weeks. Of course no evidence survives.[/quote]

*Poof*! Gone! Just like the Gold Plates!

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But I simply don't buy the notion that it was just coincidence that a fiercely hostile new poster calling himself "Mister Scratch" appeared on the old FAIR board essentially to criticize me at exactly the same that a new poster calling himself "Mister Scratch" appeared on RFM and devoted his entire effort there to attacking me. Nor do I think that it was merely coincidental that "Mister Scratch" seems never to have posted another item on RFM after I called you on what he had said there.


Your memory really is faulty. Right around the same time that you posted your accusation, I had posted a thread on RfM inquiring about a rumor I'd heard that had to do with the MTC. I've posted a couple of times on RfM here and there, but in general, my participation there was always quite limited. As I told you when you conducted your email "interrogation."

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You realize what this sounds like, right? It sounds like you got "flustered" or "exasperated" (or however you want to put it) during our exchange on the race thread, and you simply invented this story about me calling you names as a means of attack. Is that really what you did?

No. It's not.


No? Why haul out something like that when it had nothing whatsoever to do with the topic? The topic was peer review at FARMS. What does someone allegedly called you an "asshead" (or whatever you said it was) on RfM have to do with that?

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But it doesn't matter. I'm sure you understand by now what it's like to have someone insist over and over and over that you're lying, despite your pleas to the contrary.

Indeed. I've always been pretty sure that your now-five-year-long campaign of accusations and defamation against me has been an obsessive attempt at revenge.[/quote]

That's like me saying that your 25+-year-long campaign to smear critics has been an "obsessive attempt at revenge." You can't attack people and expect them to sit there and take it--at least, you can't expect *all* of them to take it. What's that French phrase you're fond of? About the vicious animal who dares to fight back?

You're still living in your missionary mindset, Dan. You still see yourself as the Big Tough Guy who comes in to battle the anti-Mormons and save the weaker LDS from having their testimonies damaged. In your Mormon Stories interview you mentioned feeling badly at the way you "destroyed" those Jehovah's Witnesses. Tell me this, though: Did you ever apologize to them? I'm guessing that you didn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:15 am 
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I can recall many times when you have engaged in dirty talk on this board, along with liz and Kimberly ann and others.


In which case, given what happened a couple nights ago, I can imagine what happens when Jack cuts loose in the chat room with the right group of babes-in-arms.

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And those are just the rare times when I've been paying attention. I'm sure it has happened a lot more than what I have seen personally. All Will is saying is that now you don’t have any reason to convince people like DCP that you are some paragon of virtue, you can be a little more open about your nastiness. No one here will accuse you of hypocrisy. You can be sure of that.


The nastiness can be seen in most of her's posts to me and other of her critics. She's building up a vocabulary of snark that will soon equal Graham's.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:17 am 
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Will, why don't you just defend yourself under your own name? You've already got Droopy to play the slavering sycophant. You don't need your Nomad sock puppet too.



Sycophants do not "slaver." They slobber. Get with the program, Buffalo.

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Sycophants do not "slaver." They slobber. Get with the program, Buffalo.


I bow to your superior experience.

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Queen of the Cesspool. How fitting. I guess that makes Graham the court jester.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:31 am 
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So MsJack conveniently left out the most reliable witness of all that Will never wrote what he is alleged to have written.

Why is it that you keep gnashing your teeth about what a liar I am all the while your own lies can be seen on this very thread?

I didn't leave out Rollo Tomasi, I clearly said:

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One person who was active in the thread at the time did not remember seeing it, but was not sure whether he saw the post before it was edited or not.

That would be Rollo Tomasi.

He also never "outright denied that Will was guilty of the charges [harmony] was making," he always maintained the possibility that the post was edited before he saw it. Here were some of his other comments on the thread:

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I'm not saying he never used the "c" word; I'm simply saying that I never saw it used in that thread (and I'm quite certain about this, because I would remember if he had used that vile word).

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I appreciate Will's kind words toward me, but I don't deserve special praise simply for reciting my recollection of what occurred.

But I want my position on one issue to be very, very clear. I do NOT believe for one moment that harmony lied about any of this. She may have been mistaken in her recollection (as I could be in mine) or correct (such as if the "c" word was edited out before I saw it), but I would 'bet the house' that she was not lying. I have "known" harmony for many years (what I mean by "known" is that I have read her posts and sometimes interacted with her on threads here), and my impression is that she is an honest woman who is sincere in her beliefs and words.

viewtopic.php?p=451548#p451548

The examination of the time stamps was inconclusive because of the different time zones on the stamps and liz's uncertainty of having found all of the edits in the log. There was also a perfectly reasonable explanation for why other posters may not have noticed it. As I noted on the thread at the time:

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Liz3564 ~ I'm curious about the time stamp on that edit as well.

The time stamps that display on someone's screen change based on the settings in their User Control Panel. I live in Chicago, so my UCP is set to UTC - 6. This means that William's offending comment that was edited shows as being posted at 11:10 am, MrStakhanovite's "u mad willard?" reply has an 11:12 am display, etc. So I'm wondering what time zone the moderator time stamps are set to.

On the day in question, Harmony was making posts on the forums between 9:43 AM and 10:44 AM (what my screen displays). She began commenting again on threads in the Terrestrial Forum at 4:22 PM---including a new post in the thread where she edited William's comment at 4:55 PM. So if she failed to edit William's comment until several hours after she began participating in the thread again, then I'm really surprised.

What I would really like to know are the time stamps for all of the red edits that took place on that thread, including yours. If you have any way of checking that, please let me know. If it's too tedious, I understand.

However, I think there's another explanation for why memories of this particular incident may not be lining up. This all happened right around the time that a participant named j-bug had registered here and was posting OUTRAGEOUSLY vulgar and misogynist stuff. His posts made William look like a card-carrying member of WAVE by comparison.

On that very same morning (10/22/10), at 10:16 AM (54 minutes before William posted his comment that was later edited), j-bug created this post positing that a woman may suffer from female genital mutilation in this life as a penalty for having failed to make "honorable use of [her] clitoris" in the pre-existence. No really; go and read it for yourself.

In light of the misogyny parade that j-bug was setting out elsewhere in the Terrestrial forum during his stay here, it's pretty understandable that some people failed to notice William's comment nestled down at the bottom of page 5 of the Mark Hoffman thread. Contrary to what William seems to believe, there are plenty of things in this world more interesting and attention-grabbing than even his most wanton displays of misogyny.

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They too will see clearly that it was all a trumped up lie, and that harmony, MrStakhanovite, and SpurvenTenSing were liars who cynically supported MsJack in her lies.

As I demonstrated above, Rollo Tomasi also firmly denounced the notion that harmony was lying in the matter. Naturally, you only cite the parts of his testimony that are convenient to your case, all the while accusing me of lying by omission.

Yes, William used a scripture verse in the Book of Mormon about "beholding a whore" to call KimberlyAnn a whore when she posted a picture of herself in a black dress (here)---a dress which William had previously claimed was appropriate attire for a pornography convention (here). There is simply no alternative interpretation to his post.

I don't recall him calling any women "slut," nor do I recall accusing him of calling any women "slut." This is a fabrication on your part.

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It's no wonder MsJack doesn't want to revisit that discussion.

I don't want to revisit the discussion because it was already hashed out in a 63+ page thread and several smaller splinter threads, and from the sound of it, none of us has anything new to contribute. With you, it's always the same playbook:

(1) Call me a liar and a propagandist;
(2) Insist that the quotes were taken "out of context" while providing zero analysis to back that up;
(3) Selectively quote Rollo Tomasi's testimony for all it's worth;
(4) Claim that mysterious unnamed figures who used to respect me now think less of me;
(5) Claim that the post had little influence outside of the "anti-Mormon" participants of this forum.

Or in other words, your master Willpologetic has been to lie, lie, lie, lie, then lie some more. I'm not interested in revisiting the discussion with you because you're a one-trick pony, and I've seen your one trick.

I do welcome anyone who missed all this the first time around and is truly interested in the topic to revisit the original thread for themselves.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:39 am 
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Queen of the Cesspool. How fitting. I guess that makes Graham the court jester.


Since this is the only forum on the internet where you're even barely tolerated, what does it say about you that it's a "cesspool"?

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What we have here is a great example of how MsJack is liar. I’m sure she remembers very well that, in the thread where he is alleged to have called harmony the “c” word, the primary person Will was having a discussion with was Rollo Tomasi. Rollo replied to the post where Will allegedly used the word. Liz provided evidence that the post harmony deleted (that supposedly contained the offending word) was up on the board for over 7 hours—from 11:00am to 6:30pm that day. Rollo was the only one to quote Will’s post, and his reply he didn’t mention anything about Will having used such a word. Of course, everyone here knows perfectly well that, if Will had used that word, it would have been a VERY big deal to all the “righteous” people on this board, much more so that the pair of posts where he used the “____” word in describing harmony and beastie, which were both seized on and quoted multiple times over the course of months and even years to show what a bad person Will is. But somehow the sensitive people here let Will’s “c” word offense go unmentioned not just in the 7+ hours on the day he is supposed to have said, but then it went unmentioned on the board for 6 MONTHS until MsJack unveiled the accusation in her “Misogyny” thread.


And this is precisely and exactly why I dubbed it, "The Anita Hill Syndrome." It was all forgotten and ignored until the publication of Will's work by the NAMI was a real going concern. Then, suddenly, as if by Gandalfian magic, it reappeared, along with each and every bad word Will had ever used in describing a female critic of the Church whom he found particularly galling, very rare as they were against the background of his entire posting history.

He had also used certain ad hominem terms against males here, but this, for some reason, did not become part of the dogpile. Only attacks aimed at female posters were, for some reason, important. Terms like "____," of course (a female dog) are coarse, but hardly different than something like traditional terms such as "dog" or "cur" aimed at a male (and anyone familiar with Robert E. Howard will know that these were once, in English, solid terms of personal dislike).

Calling a woman a "____"or "whore," while certainly hard edged, are no indication of "misogyny." Misogyny is hatred of woman as a class, and is a psychological orientation. Hard words aimed at gender specific individuals is indicative, unless there is some other facts at hand, of nothing more than extreme dislike of a gendered person in which one uses derogatory, gender specific language.


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Sorry I'm so late to this conversation. I just logged in and noted several PM's asking me to comment on the charge of Will calling harmony the "c" word. It's been over 6 months since the thread in question occurred, so my memory is pretty hazy. But I can honestly say that I do not recall ever seeing Will use the "c" word, in that thread or in any other. And given how repulsed I am by that word, I'm pretty sure I would remember if he had.


And yet, Jack is still beating away at the same drum, even though she herself never saw the offending term.

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MsJack is a liar and a propagandist. She has tried to manipulate public opinion, either through lies or blatant misrepresentation. That is what propagandists do. But in this case the evidence was strongly against her lies, and there were many observers, in addition to a first-hand witness (Rollo) who outright denied that Will was guilty of the charges she was making.


Which, despite her smarmy pose of intellectual sophistication, belies the reality behind the Kabuki doll.

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It's no wonder MsJack doesn't want to revisit that discussion. It really made her look bad, and I'm not surprised that DCP was not persuaded by the case she had to make. Even some of Will's harshest critics weren't convinced, and they had the courage to say so. And that wasn't the only lie in MsJack's thread. She also lied, using out of context quotes and other fabrications, to say taht Will had called women "whores" and "sluts", which he also never did, unless someone wants to stretch it by saying citing a scripture reference (which, if you look it up, contains in part the phrase "whore of all the earth") is the same as calling a woman a "whore" or a "slut".


Yes, this is all so old, and we all went over Jack's own links at that time. There were some inappropriate things, here and there, spread out over huge periods of time in which Will engaged in no such talk, not to mention a great deal of overwrought theatrical stretching of what he had said.

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She's on some kind of strange crusade to discredit Will Schryver,


"Strange crusades to discredit" are the coin of the realm here. There's the crusade to discredit Will, Scratch's year in, year out frothing over Danial Peterson, Kevin's obsession with me, Wade, Gee and Will, and on and on and on.

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/snip redundant rehearsal of her old propaganda crapola/

It’s enough to know that your effort at character assassination failed in the long run. Truth is funny that way. Fight against it all you want, it eventually rises to the top.

Maybe with this experience under your belt, you’ll be more successful the next time. Although I seriously doubt it, since you won’t have your phony reputation as a fair dealer to fall back on anymore.

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"Strange crusades to discredit" are the coin of the realm here.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 11:17 am 
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Will didn't just use sexist epithets. That'd be easier to ignore. Will habitually insulted female posters by going after their sexual attractiveness to him. He continually engaged in hoary gender stereotyping and the language of sexism because he knew it would upset the female posters.

Take this thread I brought up as an example recently.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9756&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=105

In it, Will is busy arguing that natural selection is a tautology, among other ignorant things about evolutionary theory. The Dude, JSM, and myself are mainly the people replying. Beastie chimes in some posts as well. How does Will respond to her?
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You’re in completely over your head here, baby. You don’t have a freaking clue what is even going on. You’re just here for what you believe is a circle-jerk pile on, with me as the target.

But if you’d like to attempt to disprove my assessment, feel free to restate, or even directly quote, those instances where anyone has demonstrated that "natural selection" (absent the influence of external forces, such as described above) amounts to anything more than "those who reproduce best are selected." I’m quite confident you cannot do it. The best you can hope for is to play cheerleader for someone else who might try. So grab your pompoms, beastlie baby, and cheer on your boys.

I am convinced that no single group of humans can be more wilfully blind and dogmatic than is the overwhelmingly majority of LDS apostates. Fortunately, catastrophic events, such as the one presumed to have deselected the dinosaurs, can forcibly bring reproduction to an end. That’s what will happen to apostates at the second coming. And, believe me, deselection will never have come more deserved.


That's sexist as all get out, and a dime a dozen post from his history. That's Will. It's not just him occasionally calling someone a b-word.


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It's good to know that if I called a black poster "boy" and told him to go pick up his welfare check while others speak, pointing out that I'm racist could be described as an unfair smear campaign against me. Because that's who the real victim is. DCP, it would seem, might helpfully point out that I seem like a nice guy in person (if I'm a Mormon anyway) and therefore what I say to people via 1's and 0's over fiber optics doesn't matter so much.


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Will didn't just use sexist epithets. That'd be easier to ignore. Will habitually insulted female posters by going after their sexual attractiveness to him.


"Habitually?" You see, this is the problem, because there was no "habit." There were a core of isolated incidents, over a vast posting history of no such verbiage. Roll the dice again, and keep rolling Delusion. You may eventually hit the daily double.

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He continually engaged in hoary gender stereotyping and the language of sexism because he knew it would upset the female posters.


"Continually?" Roll again. You're heading for Boardwalk and Park Place, and I've got hotels on both.

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Take this thread I brought up as an example recently.

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In it, Will is busy arguing that natural selection is a tautology, among other ignorant things about evolutionary theory.


Of course its a tautology. Anyone with a speck of philosophical acumen could easily argue that point.

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The Dude, JSM, and myself are mainly the people replying. Beastie chimes in some posts as well. How does Will respond to her?

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You’re in completely over your head here, baby. You don’t have a freaking clue what is even going on. You’re just here for what you believe is a circle-jerk pile on, with me as the target.


1. The term "baby" would indeed be a pressing issue...for Cathrine MacKinnon or Naomi Wolf. For most of us, in this context, its simply a turning on its head of what is otherwise a term of endearment. I had a girlfriend once who called me "babe," and in the Army, Drill Sargents routinely called other male soldiers "sweetheart" when issuing dire warnings.

You're so far out to sea here, Delusion, that even Al Gore's floating polar bears couldn't get to you, even if on the verge of starvation.

2. "Circle Jerks" are the guys who sit around the stage as a stripper dances and put money in her garter. I've used that term myself here to describe the intellectual masturbation that goes on in this echo chamber between the in-group. It's an apt metaphor for this entire place.

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The best you can hope for is to play cheerleader for someone else who might try. So grab your pompoms, beastlie baby, and cheer on your boys.


Again, for Gloria Steinem, this is a shocking attack by a member of the Patriarchy against a woman who, as a woman, represents all woman (radical feminism is a major branch of Cultural Marxism, amended for its specific issues orientation), but for intellectually normal, balanced human beings, its all it appears to be...a modest ad hominem, if gender specific joust.

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I am convinced that no single group of humans can be more wilfully blind and dogmatic than is the overwhelmingly majority of LDS apostates. Fortunately, catastrophic events, such as the one presumed to have deselected the dinosaurs, can forcibly bring reproduction to an end. That’s what will happen to apostates at the second coming. And, believe me, deselection will never have come more deserved.


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That's sexist as all get out


It is? I don't even see any gender specific language in the sentence. It appears to me to be, in point of fact, gender neutral. The Great and Terrible day is, indeed, as gender neutral as it gets.

Have you taken your temperature today, E?

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Of course its a tautology. Anyone with a speck of philosophical acumen could easily argue that point.

Lol. E for effort.


Anyway, repeatedly calling a woman who has previously complained about sexist comments from you "baby" when saying she is in over her head is quite sexist. Will wrote that to needle her. Saying that the same woman would be better served to grab her pompoms and cheer on her boys is even more so. Changing her name to "beastlie" was also another example of how he likes to specifically take shots at the physical appearance of female posters, but that's a minor thing compared to his trying to make sexist jabs.

It's an unambiguously sexist post. And the reason I quoted it is because it's not sexist because of an epithet or two. But I get that you're a fan of him and willing to defend such behavior. That's cool. That's who you are. It's up to others to decide if that's the kind of attitude they endorse as well.

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It is? I don't even see any gender specific language in the sentence

I didn't break down the post line by line like you did. My comment was in reference to the post. Droopy, baby, maybe you shouldn't worry your pretty little head about this.


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/snip redundant rehearsal of her old propaganda crapola/

It’s enough to know that your effort at character assassination failed in the long run. Truth is funny that way. Fight against it all you want, it eventually rises to the top.

Maybe with this experience under your belt, you’ll be more successful the next time. Although I seriously doubt it, since you won’t have your phony reputation as a fair dealer to fall back on anymore.


How did it fail, Will? Your name is still mud, isn't it?

I'm not sure how quoting you can be called character assassination, though.

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I want to thank EADelusion for bringing to my recollection one of the greatest threads in which I have participated over the years here in the GSTP. In it, against the combined attack of virtually every single member of the "wise in their own eyes" GSTP Battalion of Lost Souls, and armed with the MaDeuce of Unassailable Logic and Irrefutable Argument, I single-handedly mowed down the entire GSTP horde as it attempted to storm the hill and pull down the banner of reason. 'Twas truly a thing of beauty.

Oh, to be sure, none of those vanquished during that battle will ever acknowledge (nor did they even recognize at the time) what really happened over the course of my participation in that thread, notwithstanding the utter and complete slaughter that took place and the stench of rotting arguments that remains on the hill to this day ... but I enthusiastically invite any truly objective passerby to check it out for themselves. For my own part, I will be saving off the entire thread to a folder where I am assembling my message board "greatest hits" for posterity.

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I want to thank EADelusion for bringing to my recollection one of the greatest threads in which I have participated over the years here in the GSTP. In it, against the combined attack of virtually every single member of the "wise in their own eyes" GSTP Battalion of Lost Souls, and armed with the MaDeuce of Unassailable Logic and Irrefutable Argument, I single-handedly mowed down the entire GSTP horde as it attempted to storm the hill and pull down the banner of reason. 'Twas truly a thing of beauty.

Oh, to be sure, none of those vanquished during that battle will ever acknowledge (nor did they even recognize at the time) what really happened over the course of my participation in that thread, notwithstanding the utter and complete slaughter that took place and the stench of rotting arguments that remains on the hill to this day ... but I enthusiastically invite any truly objective passerby to check it out for themselves. For my own part, I will be saving off the entire thread to a folder where I am assembling my message board "greatest hits" for posterity.

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You know, Nomad, every time you refuse to apologize for your sins (and indeed, glory in them), Jesus sweats another drop of blood in Gethsemane.

Please, think before you post.

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