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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:15 pm 
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Oh, and I haven't forgotten that you said my "child" was "in rehab" due to me being such a terrible parent. Way to keep it classy, Droopy.


Droopy said that?

If so, yuk, and shame on Droopy. If not, please correct.


Yes, he did say that. He starts lashing out whenever he feels threatened. As I recall, EAllusion wound up providing some account of Droopy flipping his lid and saying a number of extremely offensive things---plus we can't forget Droopy's misogynist attacks on Beastie and Moniker. It's something of a trend with Droopy. The guy has issues.

But as to his attacks on me---by now I'm used to this sort of thing from LDS defenders. Heck, for the past half decade or so, Dan Peterson has been telling me that I'm "insane," "emotionally and/or mentally disturbed," that I deserve to be incarcerated and/or "committed," that I deserve to be shot, that I have no friends, that I'm unemployed, that I need "smelling salts" and/or that I need to be heavily medicated due to mental illness (using mental illness as a means of insult is a favorite of his) etc., etc. Par for the course, if you know what I mean.

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So you're sorry for what you did, and will try not to do it again? Please?


No, not at all. In context, it was a joke insult perfectly in harmony with what was being lobbed my way, and in no sense really mean-spirited in the way poor, abused Scratch makes it sound (and devoid of the raw vulgarity coming out of the good Dr. Scratch).

What I'm sorry for is staying around at all and mixing it up with the posse when it became obvious that the chat room had turned into Hustler TV.

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As I recall, Loran, you rather obsessively kept harping on "nipple clamps" and "Blue Boy." Several people had to ask what "Blue Boy" was. It's intriguing that someone who is allegedly a Melchezidek priesthood holder and a believer in the "restored Gospel" has to teach these apparent vulgarians about "Blue Boy."

As I said: keep it classy, Droopy.

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Get a grip, Droopy. "Vision of the anointed"? All it takes for you to get defensive is for someone to merely hint that they've gotten an education.


Oh no, I love people who actually have an education. What I have problems with is half-educated leftists who are stuffed into a small, high temperature academic niche (especially in the humanities or "social sciences") from within which they look out upon the world as if that niche was the prism from within which the world could actually be understood.

Not a single book Gad asked me to produce, as ones I thought a leftist should be familiar with even registered with Blixa, did they Scratch? Not a one. I wonder if even the classic continental philosophers I mentioned as key to leftist thought lit up any bulbs in that room. You even wondered out loud if I actually had those authors on my shelves.

Really, Scratch, you and the posse here keep exposing yourselves, time and again, as a self satisfied - but deeply intellectually insecure - coterie of the Annointed; secular, leftist intellectual snobs who find themselves continually flummoxed and sent into paroxysms by others who actually, really, and truly are "educated" in the classic sense.

Much of what goes on in the modern academy is not education, but more like a carefully selected and circumscribed catechism. Blixa, and a number of others here, are the products of that system. Or rather, they allowed themselves to become products of it. Some of the people around here, judging from what went on last night, are also the products of severely dysfunctional family environments.

I survived my K-12 education, and then heavily educated myself for a quarter century before returning to academia. That makes all the difference in the world. That, and having a deeply rooted background in the restored gospel.

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Oh, and I haven't forgotten that you said my "child" was "in rehab" due to me being such a terrible parent. Way to keep it classy, Droopy.


I don't even know that you have a child, Scratch. It was just return fire to level the playing field upon which you had already thrown your butt plugs.


Droopy, like many ____ crazy pseudo-intellectual cranks, has a deep resentment for legitimate scholars and legitimate education.

Ann Coulter is the dean at the unaccredited Droopy Bible Academy For ____ Right Wing Polemics, Word Salad and Anti-Intellectualism. That's where Droopy earned his Ph.D., after vigorous internet research of similar self-styled experts from the John Birch Society and a mail-in application of $150.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:29 pm 
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Yes, he did say that.


Yes. I also said, when you asked me my view of butt plugs relative to church doctrine, whether you meant the one's in your ears. You see Scratch, when you lob that kind of thing at people, you may find yourself taking it back again. And being a lifelong fan of Don Rickles, I have little problem in trading intellectual punches of that sort.

As I mentioned above, the chat room was out of hand when I got there, and the atmosphere was pretty much the Trailerpark unleashed, so I shouldn't have stayed in there at all. My mistake.

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He starts lashing out whenever he feels threatened.


I never feel threatened by any of you, and never have. That kind of confidence comes with being truly educated, in both a deep and broad manner.

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As I recall, EAllusion wound up providing some account of Droopy flipping his lid and saying a number of extremely offensive things---plus we can't forget


He did concoct his own version of another chat room discussion, yes. All just another day at the Trailerpark.

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Droopy's misogynist attacks on Beastie and Moniker. It's something of a trend with Droopy. The guy has issues.


There were never any "misogynist" attacks on anybody. There is no trend, except the opulent lefist/anti-Mormon back slapping that is the coin of the realm here. Sowell's book, The Vision of the Anointed isn't subtitled Self Congratulation as a Basis for Social Policy for nothing. Because it comes primarily from the same kinds of people, its also the basis for much of the anti-Mormonism on display here.

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But as to his attacks on me---by now I'm used to this sort of thing from LDS defenders.


Everyone give Scratch a group hug. Such a fragile child.

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Heck, for the past half decade or so, Dan Peterson has been telling me that I'm "insane," "emotionally and/or mentally disturbed," that I deserve to be incarcerated and/or "committed,"


Those are nothing more than rational, clear-headed observations of your mental state based upon your own traditional behavior.

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that I deserve to be shot,


I couldn't agree with this at all. Thrown into an active volcano would be more to my liking (and then shot).

Poor, abused, assaulted, misunderstood, trod upon Mr. Scratch. The irony and hypocrisy stare him in the face, and he closes his eyes.

Or is he?

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:34 pm 
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As I recall, Loran, you rather obsessively kept harping on "nipple clamps" and "Blue Boy." Several people had to ask what "Blue Boy" was.


I came back to it a few times, yes, as part of the general anti-Mormon/anti-Droopy free-for-all going on there, at the time. The Blueboy reference came up, of course, because of the continual stream of gay porn and erotic homosexual imagery posted by justme thoroughout the discussion, along with the blasphemous pictures of Christ and the temple garments.

I've already explained the nipple clamp reference. and you had it coming.

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It's intriguing that someone who is allegedly a Melchezidek priesthood holder and a believer in the "restored Gospel" has to teach these apparent vulgarians about "Blue Boy."


No, its not intriguing at all. Except to you.

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So you're sorry for what you did, and will try not to do it again? Please?


No, not at all. In context, it was a joke insult perfectly in harmony with what was being lobbed my way, and in no sense really mean-spirited in the way poor, abused Scratch makes it sound (and devoid of the raw vulgarity coming out of the good Dr. Scratch).

What I'm sorry for is staying around at all and mixing it up with the posse when it became obvious that the chat room had turned into Hustler TV.


Well, I think in future perhaps you had better avoid the occasion of sin if you are not up to resisting it.

But it seems odd that you are not sorry for doing a bad thing, particularly when your failure to refrain probably led others into being that bit more likely to continue to do things you think were bad.

I have never believed in the Restored Gospel, but when I believed in the unrestored one, such as it was, I might have worried, has I been in a similar case to you, that the sin of pride was leading me into failure to repent of the sin of wrath. But please just ignore me.

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This is exactly what I was talking about. You are a creepy, creepy person, William.



No, he's not, as Daniel, and now I, can attest, having met and interacted with him.

You know, Jack, you're a bit like a spider who has to be careful to only walk on its web with those uniquely adapted feet. If you're too careless, you may just get caught in your own net at some point in the future.

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I will, as you're talking pious crap for no other reason then to pile on.

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 1:47 pm 
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Bushman is a careful scholar and, as far as I know, a faithful member. You have here implied that he is open to the possibility that the entire origin narrative of his religion, as well as its devine ministerial authority (priesthood), which he himself holds, is a fabrication.

No, I didn't imply that. I stated that he acknowledges that the evidence can be taken in that way. That doesn't mean he takes it that way. It does mean that it's perfectly reasonable for me to take it that way.

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He doesn't say that it does, but allows intellectually honest people outside the Church to follow what the evidence appears to suggest, from within one kind of intellectual template.

My point exactly. And as an intellectually honest person outside the church, I have taken the evidence to the conclusion that the ordination accounts were probably later fabrications.

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No, I'm not wrong on any counts. I looked at all the evidence you posted, saw a few things that were improper and over-the-top on Will's part, some claims about him that were highly exaggerated and way overwrought, and other things that were clearly a psychological ploy, overwrought to the extent that I suspected a strong feminist streak in the author of the claims of "misogyny." Mysogyny, is, in the way you and others used it against Will, and like "racist," "sexist," and "homophobe," politically correct throwaway lines used to poison the well against existential ideological threats that one feels cannot be critically examined and your case made through rational argument.

Oh honestly, Droopy. Is there anything other than pure assertion and guilt-by-association rolling around in that head of yours?

Yes, misogyny is real, and it is the state of showing hatred, dislike, or mistrust of women. When a man has a pattern of responding to women by invoking their sexuality, their appearances, and their bodies, or using harsh derogatory language for them like "____," "whore" and "c*New Testament," I consider that misogynist. That is what I documented in my thread.

It has nothing to do with being "Leftist." That's just a diversion on your part and one that I won't follow.

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I don't even remember my participation in that thread.

Not my problem. You're the one trying to document your take on me here. Obviously you haven't constructed a careful and accurate picture of me in your own mind.

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But you balked when I first made the claim a long time back.

Where was this?

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So too you reacted when I openly claimed you had leftist, secularist views.

This one is false.

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Now, you admit to being an "egalitarian," (i.e., socialist).

I have always claimed to be egalitarian, and I deny that my application of the term is interchangeable with "socialist."

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You are not "anti-Mormon," and yet hold views that would, if accepted, unravel the entire body of core truth claims upon which the Church is erected.

If that makes me an anti-Mormon, by the same token, your beliefs make you an anti-Catholic, anti-Protestant, anti-evangelical, anti-Jew, anti-Muslim, anti-Hindu, anti-Buddhist, and on and on. Merely disbelieving in the core claims of a religion does not make one "anti" that religion.

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Until it becomes mind numbingly boring.

If I bore you, stop responding to my posts. I wouldn't mind a break from your incessant anti-Mormon-feminist-socialist-leftist-egalitarian witch-hunt.

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Based on numerous positions you've taken in this forum, I think reasonable people could disagree with this characterization.

Name some of these people. (Hint: You are not a "reasonable" person in my book.)

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Classic, textbook radical feminist intellectual categories (the mythical "patriarchy" standing in here for the "bourgeois" in an earlier template from which much of the philosophical substructure of second and third wave feminism was taken)

If patriarchy is a myth, you might want to write to your church leaders and tell them to stop promoting the "patriarchal order." Let them know that there is no such thing.

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So here, again, you are and you aren't.

I'm sorry nuanced positions are so hard for you to grasp. I think it's all very simple. Just as Mormons perceive themselves as "Christian" even though many Christians deny their Christianity based on this or that, I perceive myself as "feminist" even though many feminists see the pro-life position as fundamentally incompatible with feminism.

Some of my Mormon friends are cautious about openly identifying as "Christian" because they don't want other Christians getting in their faces and arguing about it. Likewise, I'm cautious about freely identifying as "feminist" because I don't like getting into pro-life/pro-choice debates with other feminists. Such debates are emotionally charged and seldom fruitful.

You want to call me a feminist though? Go right ahead. You seem to believe it's a de facto dirty word whose repugnance requires no explanation. I don't share in your opinion.

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I will, as you're talking pious crap for no other reason then to pile on.

The posse rides out...


Well,I was just giving you a chance to show what the gospel was all about in terms of interpersonal relations.

But you know what? The Restored Gospel seems to be laid aside by its believers just as quickly as the old one, when those believers want to be nasty to people they don't like.

And I thought you might be different ...

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No, he's not, as Daniel, and now I, can attest, having met and interacted with him.

I haven't met William. He's a stranger to me, a much older man whom I only know through the Internet.

A man who made a comment about my sexuality (or rather, a comment about a fantasy about my sexuality). A man who went out of his way to repeat said comment after I had stated in no uncertain terms that it was inappropriate.

Do you really not understand the problem with this?

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You know, Loren, you remind me of a middle-aged man who thinks he's much smarter than he is posting crappy analogies on Internet discussion forums.

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Once the cloud of marijuana smoke clears from your room, and you're able to focus a bit, Buffalo, and can understand what I'm saying here, I want you to understand that nothing - not a thing you've ever posted here - indicates to me that you understand the concepts "scholar" or "education." I don't think you have the slightest conception of what those terms really mean.

Or once meant.

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Actually, I've never read Coulter's books, and haven't read her op-eds for quite sometime. Her polemical style should not fool anyone, however. She could take on the entire posse here and thrash them within an inch of their philosophical lives quite without mussing her hair.

She would chew you up and spit you out, Buffalo, like a wad of Dentyne.


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Since your knowledge of the John Birch Society and its relationship to the early conservative intellectual movement is zero, as is your knowledge of anything you haven't picked up while watching Countdown with Keith Olbermann, little can be salvaged by engaging a determined ignoramus.

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Droopy has clearly achieved a great deal in clawing his way to an education.

Now in order for us all to get the benefit of that effort, including him, may I suggest something that is not entirely without an experiential basis?

Try just being an 'intellectual' for a bit, instead of talking about how you are one, and how other people really aren't. Most of the time it is as if you sit at the side of the road revving your engine to show off to the neighbors,and shouting insults at the models in their driveway, without ever going anywhere on the freeway. Sometimes you do get into motion and can move at some speed (even if I find your favorite destinations not to my taste), but the noise to distance ratio seems wastefully high most of the time.

And I do mean wastefully, after the effort all this seems to have cost you.

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A man who made a comment about my sexuality (or rather, a comment about a fantasy about my sexuality). A man who went out of his way to repeat said comment after I had stated in no uncertain terms that it was inappropriate.


So now were they not only misogynistic, but were indicative of sexual fantasy? Interesting how the claims seem to grow ever larger, and ever more expansive over time. You've already shown, Jack, a penchant for imaginative and self serving interpretations of the words and conduct of others, so I see no reason to carry on with this war of subjective perspectives.

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I understand the problem with crude, off-color language. But as I've made clear a thousand times, the misogyny claim is wildly exaggerated slander, the purpose of which was not moral browbeating, but public character defamation.

And you're stuck with it.

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This is just you're own intellectual insecurity writhing to the surface, yet again. The very fact that you think you have to do this kind of thing to everybody who disagrees with you is the smoking gun. Who else do we know who needs to preen and stroke his intellectual insecurity in public?

We wouldn't have far to look.

Not around here.

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The posse rides out...



Droopy,

Did you just actually refer to yourself in the third person as "the posse"?!

I think I have found my new sig line, curtesy of Droopy aka "the posse".

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Who else do we know who needs to preen and stroke his intellectual insecurity in public?

We wouldn't have far to look.

Not around here.


Perhaps closer than you think? See my previous post.

(My own intellectual insecurity is so huge that it strokes me.)

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Try just being an 'intellectual' for a bit, instead of talking about how you are one, and how other people really aren't.


The fact that I should even have to explain this is galling, but, as it is, my talking about my own education and intelligence developed here as a purely reactive response to the constant and continual questioning and denigration of it by others. This was never a part of my style of discourse until I began to spend time here.

Then, as there are actually leftists over at the MADboard, who behave in the very same manner toward conservative/libertarian posters there, it became a part of some of my discourse there too.

All the perps, in this regard, reside here, and none of them are me.

I've posted several threads in the Celestial room over the last few months where you can see serious, critical debate underway. Yet even there, the usual perps try to derail and create personal heat over who's smart and who isn't. I've deplored this very thing in exactly your terms over and over and over again, not only here but at the MADboards, but if falls on deaf ears, so long as they are left-wing ears.

You're fundamentally correct, but aim your criticism at the river's source, not at the tributary.

Kevin Graham is the number one perp in this regard anywhere, and its infectious (as well as stifling of stimulating discussion).

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Droopy,

Did you just actually refer to yourself in the third person as "the posse"?!

I think I have found my new sig line, curtesy of Droopy aka "the posse".


No. "The posse" is here, among us. It is the core, anti-Mormon, left/liberal population of Mormondiscussion.com.

It is the Kevin Klux Klan.

It is the Shady Acres Syndicate.

It is...the Cesspark.

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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:27 pm 
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As I recall, Loran, you rather obsessively kept harping on "nipple clamps" and "Blue Boy." Several people had to ask what "Blue Boy" was.


I came back to it a few times, yes, as part of the general anti-Mormon/anti-Droopy free-for-all going on there, at the time. The Blueboy reference came up, of course, because of the continual stream of gay porn and erotic homosexual imagery posted by justme thoroughout the discussion, along with the blasphemous pictures of Christ and the temple garments.

I've already explained the nipple clamp reference. and you had it coming.

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It's intriguing that someone who is allegedly a Melchezidek priesthood holder and a believer in the "restored Gospel" has to teach these apparent vulgarians about "Blue Boy."


No, its not intriguing at all. Except to you.


So what is a "blueboy"? How did you come to learn about it? :D

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 Post subject: Re: Schryver from Kinderhook Bomb
PostPosted: Tue Aug 30, 2011 2:29 pm 
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So now were they not only misogynistic, but were indicative of sexual fantasy?

Considering that I've never been to a place called "the Goddess Suite" to perform "suggestive excess" with other women at MormonDiscussions.com, I'd have to call that a fantasy.

My "subjective perspective" is that it is not okay for strange men on the Internet to make comments about me engaging in imaginary sex acts. And mine is the only perspective that matters.

If I were you, I'd stop defending sexual harassment on the Internet and start answering those questions I asked you earlier.

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