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 Post subject: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 3:46 pm 
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Dear Simon:

Having failed to demonstrate any specific knowledge about the Church you claim to defend (on the internet, I mean---it wasn't important enough for a mission or anything like that), I find it striking that you don't understand the apologist talking points that you parrot, either.

"Quote mining" in apologist parlance does not means reflexively kvetching every time your contradicting the Church is pointed out by legitimate sources of LDS doctrine. "Quote mining" means taking a quote out of context to misrepresent church teachings or policy.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/H ... the_Church

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/Ensign

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/J ... Discourses

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/D ... _Salvation

Since you have now decided to cry "quote mining!" whenever I point out that your baseless assertions more often than not are diametrically opposed to what the LDS Church actually teaches, you are cordially invited to point out a single thing I have posted on this board from General Conference talks, the Ensign, the scriptures, and/or recent church curricula that is taken out of context, or that does not accurately represent the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on any given topic.

Ready.....go!

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:00 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:09 pm 
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Darth J,

It's all 'quote mining' when you refer to a COJCOLDS statement outside the context of the Spirit--the Spirit of everything-COJCOLDS-is-correct.

In the context of the Spirit, the illogical makes sense and every COJCOLDS quote has its context.

With the Spirit, every COJCOLDS statement makes the bosom burn; without it, the statement is confounding.

This message was brought to you on behalf of Apologetic Holiness of Limited Enlightenment--the AHOLE movement.

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 4:36 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 5:39 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 7:41 pm 
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I have a shrine to Darth J that is now receiving blood sacrifices. I kid you not.

After you slay the lamb and spill its blood on the altar, can you then make kabobs?

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:20 pm 
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Has anyone else ever noticed Darth J is like the mopologists worst nightmare?


I've noticed.

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Mon Nov 15, 2010 10:52 pm 
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MrStakhanovite wrote:
Has anyone else ever noticed Darth J is like the mopologists worst nightmare?

I haven't decided if I prefer reading Darth J. destroy the convoluted non-logic of the internet Mormon mopologist with the very teachings of the church they profess to be defending, or watching primo asian porn?

They both relieve stress, so the verdict is not yet out.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 6:17 am 
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It's all 'quote mining' when you refer to a COJCOLDS statement outside the context of the Spirit--the Spirit of everything-COJCOLDS-is-correct.

In the context of the Spirit, the illogical makes sense and every COJCOLDS quote has its context.

With the Spirit, every COJCOLDS statement makes the bosom burn; without it, the statement is confounding.

Replace the words "the Spirit" with the word "Mopologetics" and I think you've nailed it.

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:40 pm 
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Dear Simon:

Having failed to demonstrate any specific knowledge about the Church you claim to defend (on the internet, I mean---it wasn't important enough for a mission or anything like that), I find it striking that you don't understand the apologist talking points that you parrot, either.

"Quote mining" in apologist parlance does not means reflexively kvetching every time your contradicting the Church is pointed out by legitimate sources of LDS doctrine. "Quote mining" means taking a quote out of context to misrepresent church teachings or policy.

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/H ... the_Church

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/Ensign

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/J ... Discourses

http://en.fairmormon.org/Quote_mining/D ... _Salvation

Since you have now decided to cry "quote mining!" whenever I point out that your baseless assertions more often than not are diametrically opposed to what the LDS Church actually teaches, you are cordially invited to point out a single thing I have posted on this board from General Conference talks, the Ensign, the scriptures, and/or recent church curricula that is taken out of context, or that does not accurately represent the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on any given topic.

Ready.....go!


I'm not an apologist.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 12:45 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:
I'm not an apologist.


Nope, but you seem to be president of the apologist fan club.

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 1:22 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:
I'm not an apologist.

No, nothing but a nonsubstantive, evasive, no-answer kind of guy. You would make a stellar general authority. The church needs non-thinking leaders just like you....if only you had some leadership qualities.

A mission might have helped you develop leadership. Maybe in the spirit world?


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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:00 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:

I'm not an apologist.


Irrelevant. You are resorting to the apologist trope of crying "quote mining" without even using the term correctly. So prove that I am "quote mining."

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:05 pm 
Darth J wrote:
Irrelevant. You are resorting to the apologist trope of crying "quote mining" without even using the term correctly. So prove that I am "quote mining."


Because I am not an apologist, I am not bound by the apologist parlance.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:21 pm 
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MrStakhanovite wrote:
Has anyone else ever noticed Darth J is like the mopologists worst nightmare?



Yep. There's about 8-10 posters on here who are cool rock stars. I always look for their posts and go to them immediately. Very, very interesting people here. It's like sitting on the stairs late at night as a kid and listening to the adults talk in the living room.


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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 4:44 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:
Darth J wrote:
Irrelevant. You are resorting to the apologist trope of crying "quote mining" without even using the term correctly. So prove that I am "quote mining."


Because I am not an apologist, I am not bound by the apologist parlance.


This is you talking to me in another thread where you say what you mean by "quote mining:"

Simon Belmont wrote:

Things that the leaders have said in the 1930s may not apply today, for example. It is up to us to determine if they are in harmony with the Gospel today by asking God. Your quote mining from historical documents of the church does nothing.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15476&p=380704&hilit=+quote+mining+#p380704



You are using the apologist term of art "quote mining" in exactly the same way that apologists do. Your attempt to avoid the issue that you have created is like claiming that the ancient Egyptians had aircraft, and when asked to back up your claim, saying that you are not a pilot so you are not bound by what pilots mean by "aircraft."

(Also, see generally William Schryver on "translate" and "Egyptian.")

So, again:

Point out a single thing I have posted on this board from General Conference talks, the Ensign, the scriptures, and/or recent church curricula that is taken out of context, or that does not accurately represent the position of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints on any given topic.

Or concede that you yet again are making unsupportable claims.

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:27 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:

Because I am not an apologist, I am not bound by the apologist parlance.


Lol....so because you are not an "apologist" (a person who makes a defense in speech or writing of a belief, idea, etc.), you don't have to use the proper meaning of common terms when communicating with people? (Although that seems to be a pretty standard tactic for LDS "apologists"....)

Maybe you meant to say you are not a GOOD "apologist"....

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:34 pm 
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Simon Belmont wrote:

I'm not an apologist.



By the way:

How is it that you are such a stalwart defender of Mormon apologetics

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15191&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=roadblocks

and yet when you are called upon to substantiate your claims that are based specifically on your using a Mormon apologetics term of art the same way Mormon apologists do, suddenly you are "not an apologist"?

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:39 pm 
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To help further clarify that Simon Belmont is indeed referring to "quote mining" in the exact same way Mormon apologists use the term:

Simon Belmont wrote:
And I am sorry, DJ, but that is what I have always been taught from my church leaders. Now, I am sure you will find some obscure quotation from a bygone era to demonstrate your point -- have at it.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=15191&p=372937&hilit=bygone#p372937


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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:41 pm 
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Oh, and Simon:

If I am "quote mining" by finding some obscure thing a General Authority said one time and taking it out of context to distort what the Church's teachings/position are/is, why do I link to every single quote from LDS sources I have put on this board?

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 Post subject: Re: Simon Belmont: This is what "quote mining" means
PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 5:50 pm 
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quote mining is new to me. I think I may have quote mined a few times. Oh well.

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