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 Post subject: Any moral implication regarding marijuana use?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:10 am 
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simple question.


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:19 am 
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alvatra wrote:
simple question.

I regret prop 19 not passing out here in California.

Think about it. Legalize it and the government has one more thing that they can tax, plus save hundreds of millions of tax dollars by cutting all of those ATF jobs!

I never had the chance to try pot enough times to fully experience it but I don't think it is any worse than regular cigarettes in terms of harm to people who smoke it..

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:25 am 
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Not sure about smoking marijuana, but the early LDS Prophets used righteous hemp ropes made from that plant. Such ropes were essential in helping the pioneers make their way to the holy land, as well as Utah.

I understand marijuana is very beneficial for those experiencing nausea due to cancer. Sort of a natural homeopathic remedy that actually works. Legalizing marijuana would help correct our balance of trade deficit with Mexico, as well as put a dent in the wallet of those drug smuggling banditos bringing crime into the land of Jell-O and honey wheat germ.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 12:50 am 
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Is smoking marijuana a moral issue? I don't see it that way, at all.

Or maybe your question isn't that simple, really?

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:00 am 
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Polygamy-Porter wrote:
alvatra wrote:
simple question.

I regret prop 19 not passing out here in California.

Think about it. Legalize it and the government has one more thing that they can tax, plus save hundreds of millions of tax dollars by cutting all of those ATF jobs!

I never had the chance to try pot enough times to fully experience it but I don't think it is any worse than regular cigarettes in terms of harm to people who smoke it..


You expect this from a government that actively assists in the opium trade in Afghanistan?


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana?
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 1:21 am 
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gramps wrote:
Is smoking marijuana a moral issue? I don't see it that way, at all.

Or maybe your question isn't that simple, really?



You're right.. I guess perhaps, the question would be: can marijuana use be considered a moral issue within the church? Or any wow issue for that matter?


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 2:48 am 
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"Thoughts on marijuana" is a moral issue?

How so?

Do you mean like... playing cards? Pants that button in the front rather than at the sides? Women wearing more than one set of earrings? Belly button studs? Soft drinks containing caffiene? Watching football on Sunday? Belonging to the Democrat or Republican political party? Plural marriage?

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:44 am 
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Well, considering this is a Mormonism discussion board, I think it is a moral issue here. Maybe not a moral issue with you, but that doesn't mean the issue doesn't quite obviously exist.


Well, then explain what you mean by a moral issue. Is drinking a beer a moral issue for you?

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 3:51 am 
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Oh, in advance of your answer, for which I am patiently awaiting:

My answer (morally) is that any female who can just get more and more beautiful, bigger and bigger, stickier and stickier, tastier and tastier, and stronger and stronger the longer she doesn't come in contact with the male sex of her breed (so to speak) is the type of woman we should be promoting in our communities.

That's my moral answer. Sin, in this case, is a very good thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
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Let's see what Jesus had to say about it.

Matthew 15:11:

Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:40 am 
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Come on kid, marijuana is no more a moral issue than is going to Starbucks for a cup of coffee or McDonalds for fries and a coke.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 7:59 am 
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Hmmm...I wonder if gramps' response is a sort of performance piece on the effects of pot smoking...

I don't have time right now to respond fully, alvatra, but I'll try to come back later and give you a thoughtful reply as well as explain why I don't exactly see it as moral issue either---a kind of complex question because what constitutes "morality" is a much battled-over terrain.

I just wanted to pop in now to say I'm glad to see you're sticking around and have started another thread. That first one got kind of rocky, but one's entrance into a new and unfamiliar message board is often a bumpy ride. If you're willing to try again, then I'm willing to try, too.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 8:28 am 
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I regard it as morally permissible*, but generally a bad personal choice.

*There are some circumstances it wouldn't be of course. I'm not saying it's Ok to be blowing smoke in an infant's face.


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:41 am 
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The Church does not consider WoW violations as a moral issue.

As a libertarian, I oppose regulation of pot.

However, I do have strong feelings about friends my age, and children of friends, who are hooked on the weed and I can see for myself how it affects their lives and performance. Never once for the good. Always for the bad. I've heard it said it isn't addictive but I don't believe it.

In my day, pot was a different experience, apparently. A roach on a clip was about it, and it contained leaves and seeds. Today, it is much more concentrated and taken in a bong, which is something I never saw as a kid. It is not a safe thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 9:55 am 
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The Church does not consider WoW violations as a moral issue.

As a libertarian, I oppose regulation of pot.

However, I do have strong feelings about friends my age, and children of friends, who are hooked on the weed and I can see for myself how it affects their lives and performance. Never once for the good. Always for the bad. I've heard it said it isn't addictive but I don't believe it.

In my day, pot was a different experience, apparently. A roach on a clip was about it, and it contained leaves and seeds. Today, it is much more concentrated and taken in a bong, which is something I never saw as a kid. It is not a safe thing.


It is perfectly safe. The only dangers that come with marijuana use is the harmful effects of smoking...which can almost be negated by using a vaporizer. Obviously our lungs are not made to inhale or process large amounts of burning plant matter.

Also, those predisposed to psychosis should not use weed. Weed does not cause psychosis, but it will exacerbate it. Although there is a lot of wonderful work going on right now to make a cannabidiol based antipsychotic, as it has been shown that CBD is a better antipsychotic than the drugs we have on the market now. It's the THC that causes all sorts of psychosis issues, so yes, in that regard, the stronger weed of today may be more dangerous than the weed in the past. It is not, however, dangerous for those who are not predisposed to psychotic issues.

Marijuana can definitely be addictive. Not physically, but psychologically. It's sad that people become that wrapped up in it, instead of realizing what it is: a God-given method to probe the psyche, elevate consciousness, and relax when needed, IN MODERATION.

I honestly think I would've gone crazy during grad school without weed. It just helped me wind down at the end of the day and clear my mind, without having to turn to nasty alcohol like most people.


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:02 am 
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alvatra wrote:
simple question.

Marijuana is not a moral issue. It may be a personal or social issue, but morality plays no part of the equation as to whether marijuana is legal or illegal.


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:24 am 
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The Church does not consider WoW violations as a moral issue.

It isn't clear. Maybe we can list what Mormon moral values are. We can refer back to President Hinckley on this (I was in High School when he said this):

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“Every year substance abuse claims younger victims with harder drugs. A third of high school seniors get drunk once a week. The average age for first-time drug use is now thirteen years old.” ...Now I know, as do you, that there are millions of young people in this nation and in every nation who live wholesome, good lives and who are ambitious to make something of themselves. But no one can blink at the fact that in this land, and in other lands across the world, there is an epidemic affecting the lives of millions of youth. It is a sickness that comes of a loss of values, of an abandonment of moral absolutes.


This is an article in which we are being taught about morality but the transgressions of such are not made very clear. What is immorality? Later on, he implies that the following are considered immoral:

1. Becoming involved with pornography to any degree (that might include bra ads in the Sunday paper)
2. Letting down the bars of sexual restraint
3. Not restraining, subduing, or keeping under control your emotions that stir within you which make boys attractive to girls and girls attractive to boys
4. teenage pregnancy
5. cheat in school
6. fail to do any of those things which do not square with the precepts, the teachings, the principles which the God of heaven (might that include Wow?!!!! I don't know - he is not clear)
7. watching too much TV

(on a side note, He warns 1 through 3 will destroy us. Do you see why seeing bras made me think I was destined to end up in hell and also often felt I might not make it to retirement - die young?)

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:35 am 
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It is not a moral issue. One can get a temple recommend by admitting to a WoW violation in the prior week but committing to quit. Of course, evidence of an addiction might discourage a recommend issuance, but only because there is an indication that the commitment isn't going to be followed.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:42 am 
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Marijuana also causes memory loss, slowed reaction time, apathy, and is mild-to-moderately addictive in a certain % of the population of users. Overall, it's not that dangerous of a drug, especially if used infrequently. It's certainly less risky than alcohol, but as someone who advocates its legality I am annoyed by those who downplay its risks.


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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:04 am 
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It is not a moral issue. One can get a temple recommend by admitting to a WoW violation in the prior week but committing to quit. Of course, evidence of an addiction might discourage a recommend issuance, but only because there is an indication that the commitment isn't going to be followed.

What is your basis for the statement "It is not a moral issue"?

Is it based on whether you can pass the TRI or not?! That is the litmus test for a moral value?

What if you broke one of GBH's other items on his morality list? What if you cheated on a test at school (i.e. University or MBA school) one week prior to the TRI. Would that prevent you from going to the Temple? Is cheating a moral issue?!

You are a lawyer. Come up with a decent argument please.

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 Post subject: Re: Your thoughts on marijuana? (morally)
PostPosted: Thu Nov 11, 2010 11:15 am 
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Marijuana also causes memory loss, slowed reaction time, apathy, and is mild-to-moderately addictive in a certain % of the population of users. Overall, it's not that dangerous of a drug, especially if used infrequently. It's certainly less risky than alcohol, but as someone who advocates its legality I am annoyed by those who downplay its risks.

Marijuana doesn't cause apathy when I use it. In fact, it makes me hypersensitive to others, to suffering and to the human condition. I have to ween myself off for weeks at a time to allow my emotional defenses to regroup and reharden to become the usual insensitive prick that I am when sober.

I watched "Fiddler on the roof" while toasted, and cried throughout half the movie. Marijuana is EVIL!

But yes, there are some risks to marijuana smoking.


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