Fence Sitter wrote:
Assuming, for the sake of argument that in LDS theology Satan is a necessary part of God’s overall plan and that plan would fall apart if he did not exist. (No pre-mortal war in heaven, no alternate choice which we, the good guys were smart enough to accept, no evil snake in the Garden of Eden to tempt Adam & Eve into the fall, and so on.) It might be interesting to actually consider the nature of Satan himself as viewed through the Mormon lens.
Would it be fair to place him in the pre-existence at or near the level of Jesus? I think so. So, in the beginning, there is this intelligence who is Satan and he is basically made of the same stuff everyone else is, including God and Jesus and like Jesus and God he is one of the more intelligent intelligences (what ever that means). God somehow already has or creates his own body (spiritually and physically) and then through the undefined process of of spiritual procreation starts giving people like Satan and Jesus their own spiritual body along with a host of other people. (Maybe there’s a reason people utter “OH MY GOD!!!!!” so often at climactic moments, it is a similitude of some sort I suppose.)
So Satan, after existing eternally as an intelligence with God in the preexistence and getting his spiritual body from God, turns around and convinces 1/3 of the host (how many is a host?) to rebel against God and follow him. Color me a bit skeptical here. Since Satan is as intelligent (or nearly so) as Jesus, wouldn’t it be reasonable to expect he knows God is.. well.. ummm God?
Why would 1/3 of the population of heaven reject a plan that has been in place since the beginning of time, a plan by the way that is backed by God (he is the omnipotent guy in the corner that no one wants to mess with) and follow a being that clearly is less godly than God? Since there were different levels of intelligences to begin with, maybe this group got the really short end of the intelligence stick.
How long does a war even start when one side is led by an omnipotent being? Why would anyone even start such a war? If they did, it could hardly be called a war because God is on one side. Maybe it should be labeled the Brief Disagreement In Heaven.
How is Satan able to tempt all men? Does he have some Evil Ghost he controls that can be everywhere at all times?
This whole concept of Satan seems to be a caricature of a comic strip bad guy.
A little chronology if you please. Christ and the Father and the Holy Ghost always are and were the Very Eternal Father. They together called out all the organized intelligence and gave them the knowledge of their independent spheres of existence. Satan is no where near the level of intelligence as God.
What Satan is would be fanatical about taking God's power. He cannot originate power such as light cleaving unto light so he needs God to simply turn God's power over to him so he can do what he wants which is to enjoy the honor of holding all the glory. A glory he did nothing to deserve but thought he could tempt God to surrender to him by removing the coming WAR from ever happening.
Why war: The war was an act of perdition to openly defy God's power fully aware of it and to evangelize the same act to be joined by as many as possible. Giving God the finger is nothing new still to this day. But here we are not culpable of perdition for it unless and until we KNOW God's power by having partaken of the same. ( the baptism of fire and of the Holy Ghost)
Given the nature of men common in these parts it is no fantastic leap to suppose that such an ones were even more common from the beginning.
Many suppose that there was nothing behind Satan's rebellion other than his lust for power. What was most behind the rebellion and defiance of God was that intelligence refused to continue to the next estate where they would be cut in half by sexual differentiation. Either they give up half the intellectual aspect of native intelligence to accept their sexual assignments or confusion reigns. And I do mean confusion.
What motive did they have to retain their fullness of light and truth and not sacrifice according to the plan of God to progress and get a spirit body and and physical body? Satan was NEVER given a spirit body he remains to this moment only an organized intelligence. The reason they refused was their lust for power was stronger than their love of God. They refused to obey the gospel which would make them dependent upon a Savior. They wanted to be free intelligence without restraints of any kind.
Well, too bad that. Because they did NOT organize themselves neither tear themselves out of the light of truth but were MADE by their Maker into independent spheres of existence by receiving of God the knowledge of their respective sphere they are busted from the beginning and never were free ultimately. Hence they will be forced to what we call the Second Death but for them it is the only death which is the loss of all the gifts of God and a return to a non existence of independence in the light of truth.
Faced with the eminent fate of annihilation they seek to thwart the plan of God so long as their day lasts. And yes, obviously, God is using them knowing that these devils can always be depended upon to come out and reject the gospel and supply the bitter that men might learn to prize the sweet.
The medium or priesthoods that evil owns is the fact that they are only organized intelligence and there is nothing which keeps them from joining together like the legions of devils that inflicted the man in Capernaum.
Why, they can assimilate together to project false visions, UFOs, Aliens, and wonders upon wonders. But their best work is the tell men to NOT believe the truth and to rely in great pride upon their own strength and genius to fill the world with carnal wonders and novels. lol