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Ha, that's a definite no. As someone once said on FAIR to an apologist (i think cinepro might have said it to Will Schryver) - "Don't ever lose your testimony, we'd hate to have you on our side".


I don't know. Maybe figuring the church out would prod him to reconsider the appropriateness of his posting style.

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I don't have the academic and practical knowledge that Dan does of Islam. But I've been exposed to Islamic culture for many years now. My boss is a believing Muslim, and the industry I work in is dominated by about 90% of Muslims. I don't see them as a threat at all. In fact I'm impressed by their culture and beliefs, and how they have integrated with "western society". I'm perhaps biased by personal experience with these people, but I just don't see the bogeyman that others are seeing, except among the radicals. I applaud Dan's theoretical, practical, and scholarly work in this field, and remember he has lived among Muslims in their own society. Can anyone here make similar claims?

Do you interact with Muslims every day, as I do? I see a common humanity. I will be reading Dan's book, for sure, and I hope it can help bridge gaps of misunderstanding.

And finally, let me say, the criticisms and put downs of Dan here, and on RFM, are totally out of proportion to reality. It's something like sardines attacking sharks. But if that's how you get your "kicks", then life is short. Eat your barnacles off the boat and enjoy your five minutes of fame. I think Dan's thinking processes on these matters are probably just beyond the grasp of those who like to make him an "offender for a word". And, he's a believing Mormon. I suppose that totally wipes his credibility. Of course. Guess I should have thought of that myself and never taken him seriously. Maybe it's time for me to sign in to the funny farm and admit I have dementia.


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And finally, let me say, the criticisms and put downs of Dan here, and on RFM, are totally out of proportion to reality. It's something like sardines attacking sharks.

You are right, how can the Mormon Discussions folks swim with the sharks, when we are but sardines (got any pickles?). However, there is indeed hope for us when Makelen can use words like "pleonastic," whatever that means.

Let's keep our fingers crossed for Dr. Dan winning the prestigious Mustafa Award in 2008!

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I received Robert Spencer’s book about Muhammad a month ago and I thought it was a bit flimsy at 256 pages. Dan’s book is a measly 176. It is always exciting to get a book out, but I think the fans at MAD are making too much of this. Spencer has published numerous best sellers on Islam, and I don't see people cheering him on as if each publication proves he is that much more of a scholar. Hamblin is making a stink about some Arab linguist criticizing Dan because his expertise is Islamic philosophy, but expertise in neither of these fields makes someone an expert on Muhammad’s life.

Dan admits he wasn’t breaking any new ground with this book. That was good of him. I do not own a copy yet, but I suspect it contains the same banal platitudes we have heard from Dan on the subject over the years. His problem is that he reads Islam through a Mormon lens, not through the lens of traditional Islam. He means well, but what he ends up describing is something of his own imagination. He tries to minimize the fact that most Muslims reject his assumptions about Muhammad and the Quran. I’ve been able to pin-point several that he would probably admit are not traditional assumptions. Can he find some Muslims to commend him? Sure, probably some in the west who have Islamic reform on their minds. I bet CAIR would be the first organization to applaud him – the same organization that has become the shake down artist for American Islam.

Every book will have its fans and critics, which is why I do not put too much stock the forwards; especially when they are written by people like Khaleel Muhammad who is used as mop water when he goes head to head with Robert Spencer.


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I certainly hope that this is genuine kindness coming from the posters on this thread. I think that daniel is regarded within his own circle and I do believe that he has given lectures and presentations on islam to academic audiences but I could be wrong on this.

Daniel seems to be a gifted individual who has been badly mistreated by the countermo critics who seem to have the knowledge of bar stool only because of their personal attacks against his character. And I include RFM in this circle of bar stools.


I don't know if you remember, but a long time ago on the MADB someone was prodding Dr. Peterson about name-dropping. to be facetious and to shut the other person up he produced the following pleonastic list:

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You want more name-dropping? (Of course you do.) Here's a partial list, off the top of my head: I've lectured at Islamic schools, mosques, and universities in Australia, New Zealand, North Carolina, Egypt, Jordan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Taiwan, and Syria. I've taken active part in small gatherings for interreligious dialogue in Idaho, Utah, California, Kansas, New York City, Austria, Israel, and Malta. I've met with senior cardinals of the Roman Catholic Church in Australia and in Vatican City. I've met, as part of an interreligious delegation, with the president of Israel, in his home. I've met with the head of the "Uniting Church" (the main Protestant denomination in Australia) in his home. I've met with senior Shi‘ite clerics in Iran. I've lunched with the Saudi consul general in Hong Kong and the Malaysian consul in Perth, Western Australia. I've hosted the soon-to-be president of Indonesia (and his eventual foreign minister) at BYU. At one point, at the United Nations building in New York, I addressed a group of forty-eight mostly Muslim ambassadors at an evening banquet. And so on and so forth.


As I hope is at least partially evident, he is very involved in their community and has earned the respect that is payed him. As much as he is criticized for not appreciating being misrepresented and misquoted, he's a responsible and respected scholar.



You may in fact be right. And I give DCP props for being smart, knowledgeable, engaging (at times), a clever writer, etc. What respect he has among his peers, I do not know.

I can only say what I do know, and that is in academics, the currency of respect and prestige is peer-reviewed publications. From what I’ve seen of DCP’s CV, he has not a single article published in a mainline peer-reviewed scholarly journal. And that is after decades of experience in academics. Apologetic publications count less than zero in the academic world outside of BYU. In the real world of publish or perish, DCP’s publication record would not even get him considered for a position at the large majority (if not all) of main line research universities, let alone hired.

I am not saying this because I enjoy taking DCP down a notch, but because I think it is worthwhile to put into context to his “aw shucks, they love me, they really love me” comments, so as to give others an objective perspective. I say nothing different about DCP than what I’d say about any other academic with a similar record.

And to Wade, I am in a position to speak about his, as I spent 14 years in academics and was a tenured (continuing status) professor at the Marriott School at BYU. I went through the grind of publish or perish, and unlike DCP, managed to publish in peer-reviewed journals, quite of number of them to be exact.

What I find interesting is that it is not really that hard to get published, if one gives it a good effort. At the very least, there are a plethora of B journals out there in which it is much easier to get articles accepted. Could not DCP have even tried this? I find his lack of peer-reviewed publications to be puzzling given his obvious erudition. He may be a wonderful colleague, a great administrator, a super teacher, a caring mentor, but in academics (or at least at research universities), these are all subordinate (and far subordinate) criteria to peer-reviewed publications.

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somebody on RfM is using my name. How interesting! I actually have a registered account at RfM, so if you want to know if it is genuinely yours truly posting over there, you had better look for a "Mister Scratch" without an "unregistered" after the name.


Scratch, were you regstered at RfM last year whn Dr. Peterson found the lovely quote you denied was from you? Was the person who made that statement signed in? Are there any archives available to double-check?

Listening to Dr. Petsrson's recounting of events and then yours has left me thoroughly confused.

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somebody on RfM is using my name. How interesting! I actually have a registered account at RfM, so if you want to know if it is genuinely yours truly posting over there, you had better look for a "Mister Scratch" without an "unregistered" after the name.


Scratch, were you regstered at RfM last year whn Dr. Peterson found the lovely quote you denied was from you? Was the person who made that statement signed in? Are there any archives available to double-check?

Listening to Dr. Petsrson's recounting of events and then yours has left me thoroughly confused.


According to DCP, it's convenient that RfM is not archived. I remember the offending quotes, and just like the recent post, they didn't sound like our beloved Scratch.

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I remember the offending quotes, and just like the recent post, they didn't sound like our beloved Scratch.


Maybe they aren't, but maybe ours isn't the one from FAIR either. Maybe there are 3 Mister Scratches, or maybe the one on RfM is the one from FAIR while ours is another one.

If only he'd digitally sign his messages like Mike Halcrow. While it wouldn't prove that someone was impersonating him (he could just not sign the ones he wishes to deny), it would at least have provided evidence that Scratch A = Scratch B if both use the same PGP public key signature.

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I remember the offending quotes, and just like the recent post, they didn't sound like our beloved Scratch.


Maybe they aren't, but maybe ours isn't the one from FAIR either. Maybe there are 3 Mister Scratches, or maybe the one on RfM is the one from FAIR while ours is another one.

If only he'd digitally sign his messages like Mike Halcrow. While it wouldn't prove that someone was impersonating him (he could just not sign the ones he wishes to deny), it would at least have provided evidence that Scratch A = Scratch B if both use the same PGP public key signature.


Hmmm.

Two Cumorahs and three Scratches? Interesting theories, to be sure. ;-)

I'm reminded of the time I was accused on MADB of being a sock puppet for Rollo Tomasi. But everyone knows I'm much better looking than he is.

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Hmmm.

Two Cumorahs and three Scratches? Interesting theories, to be sure. ;-)


I think I know the cover of the next FAIR Review: A Tale of Two Scratches: The Unmasking of a Critic by Dr. Daniel C. Peterson.

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You certainly are....uh at least that's what I hear..... :)

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Hmmm.

Two Cumorahs and three Scratches? Interesting theories, to be sure. ;-)


I think I know the cover of the next FAIR Review: A Tale of Two Scratches: The Unmasking of a Critic by Dr. Daniel C. Peterson.


And we'll get the predictable responses:

"It is entirely irrelevant to discuss how many Scratches there are. One lying, deceitful, bigoted, evil hater is enough for that sty they call a message board."

"Why bother discussing a fundamentalist cheerleader? We all know that these are pseudointellectual wannabes who wouldn't last a day in my graduate program at Claremont."

"I find the obsessiveness from all three disturbingly endearing. If I were anything like the cult loon that Mr. Bachman describes, Mr. Scratch should be very afraid. I think I'll eat a donut instead."

"I'm glad this place has been rid of such rude and vulgar critics. Now I can post about diarrhea and my sex life freely."

"All three Scratches need to focus on WORKABLE solutions for building up relationships while avoiding the kind of DESTRUCTIVE criticism that might put the church in a bad light."

"Don't look now, but they're discussing this thread over on that obsession board. Does anyone doubt that they're evil?"

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I think I know the cover of the next FAIR Review: A Tale of Two Scratches: The Unmasking of a Critic by Dr. Daniel C. Peterson.


And we'll get the predictable responses:

"It is entirely irrelevant to discuss how many Scratches there are. One lying, deceitful, bigoted, evil hater is enough for that stye they call a message board."

"Why bother discussing a fundamentalist cheerleader? We all know that these are pseudointellectual wannabes who wouldn't last a day in my graduate program at Claremont."

"I find the obsessiveness from all three disturbingly endearing. If I were anything like the cult loon that Mr. Bachman describes, Mr. Scratch should be very afraid. I think I'll eat a donut instead."

"I'm glad this place has been rid of such rude and vulgar critics. Now I can post about diarrhea and my sex life freely."

"All three Scratches need to focus on WORKABLE solutions for building up relationships while avoiding the kind of DESTRUCTIVE criticism that might put the church in a bad light."


And how would Hinckley respond:

"I don't know that we teach that Scratch is a critic. It's in the past. It's in the past. As long as we focus on Joseph Chri...I mean Jesus Christ"

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And how would Hinckley respond:

"I don't know that we teach that Scratch is a critic. It's in the past. It's in the past. As long as we focus on Joseph Chri...I mean Jesus Christ"


Monson: Back when I was a bishop in the largest ward in the church, a widow I knew, Inez D. Hansen, had a dog named Scratch. On her deathbed, I promised her that I'd find that dog a home. On the day that Bishop T. Harold Dawson picked up that dog, I was reminded of the poem by Edgar Guest ...

Packer: Scratch? Isn't the he one who got punched out by his missionary companion? Well, someone had to do it.

Scott: Scratch, if you have not already repented of criticizing Dr. Peterson, I plead with you to do so now.

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And we'll get the predictable responses:

"It is entirely irrelevant to discuss how many Scratches there are. One lying, deceitful, bigoted, evil hater is enough for that sty they call a message board."

"Why bother discussing a fundamentalist cheerleader? We all know that these are pseudointellectual wannabes who wouldn't last a day in my graduate program at Claremont."

"I find the obsessiveness from all three disturbingly endearing. If I were anything like the cult loon that Mr. Bachman describes, Mr. Scratch should be very afraid. I think I'll eat a donut instead."

"I'm glad this place has been rid of such rude and vulgar critics. Now I can post about diarrhea and my sex life freely."

"All three Scratches need to focus on WORKABLE solutions for building up relationships while avoiding the kind of DESTRUCTIVE criticism that might put the church in a bad light."

"Don't look now, but they're discussing this thread over on that obsession board. Does anyone doubt that they're evil?"


More MAD posters speak up:

"I have a testimony from the Holy Ghost that there are three Scratches."

"Not only is Scratch an anti-Mormon critic, rumor has it that he's an evangelical. Now let's get to work on ripping apart 'once saved always saved'."

"Daniel Peterson is always right. Daniel Peterson is always right. Daniel Peterson is always right...."

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Regarding Dr. Peterson's scholarship, Mike Ash posted this on the other board:

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Just for kicks I emailed Dr. Hossein Ziai, professor in the Near Eastern Languages & Culture Dept. at UCLA. He has authored numerous works on his specialty (his bio can be found here:http://www.nelc.ucla.edu/Faculty/Ziai.htm)

I asked him if he was familiar with Dr. Peterson & his scholarship (I had no reason to question Dr. Peterson's academic integrity, but I was curious about Tal's "survey" when he first published it on RFM). This was Dr. Ziai's reply in its entirety:


Dear Mr. Ash,
Thank you. Dr. Peterson is a fine scholar of Islam. He has played a
very important, leadership role in helping to establish the Middle
East Text Initiative (METI) at BYU. His work as Managing Editor of
the METI publications is superb. The publication series has made
lasting contribution to the scholarly activity on Islamic
intellectual traditions. This has provided a forum and a means of
allowing meaningful, non polemic, and non apologetic studies and
texts in Arabic and Persian philosophical and other intellectual
traditions to be published in a bilingual format and thus made
available to wider audiences. This is especially important as there
is need both within Islamic studies to encourage and indeed nurture
the role of reason and solidify rationality, and also to inform the
non specialist audiences that there is a place for reason in Islam
which we must recognize, solidify, and uphold. These are very complex
times and the more we devote studies to the rationalist traditions of
philosophy and science in Islam the more we may be able to combat
irrational and hate driven polemics and other propagandist work. Dr.
Daniel Peterson has indeed established himself as a well respected
scholar and publisher of much needed scholarly work in Islamic
studies in general, and of the philosophical tradition in particular.
I personally have a great deal of respect for Dr. Peterson's work.
Please share this with Dr. Peterson in and related to LDS studies you
are involved at BYU, or elsewhere.
Sincerely,
Hossein Ziai

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I find it interesting that anyone would think the METI is somehow combating “irrational and hate driven polemics and other propagandist work.”

From my understanding, it was a collaborative effort to translate older Islamic sources that have yet to be translated to English. Or is there something more to it than that? Is Dan writing commentaries alongside the translations? Something akin to “See, Al Ghazali seemed like a reasonable fellow, so it is wrong for bigots to assume all Muslims throughout history have jihad on their minds”?

One thing that struck me was the fact that these works had never been published in English. Doesn’t this say something about their significance, or more to the point, lack thereof? Dan convinced the higher powers at BYU and possibly the Church, to fund such a project. He should get credit for that I think. But I am still struck by the fact that numerous other Universities, which had plenty of funding to complete such a project, never endeavored to do so.

But one thing is for sure. This project has earned BYU much credit from intelligentsia around the globe.

I also noticed that some of those whom Ziai would consider “hate driven,”are taking advantage of these translations. Robert Spencer lists it in his footnotes on more than a few occasions.


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somebody on RfM is using my name. How interesting! I actually have a registered account at RfM, so if you want to know if it is genuinely yours truly posting over there, you had better look for a "Mister Scratch" without an "unregistered" after the name.


Scratch, were you regstered at RfM last year whn Dr. Peterson found the lovely quote you denied was from you?


I registered at RfM around the same time I registered at FAIR.

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Was the person who made that statement signed in?


I don't know. DCP claims to maintain a kind of RfM "Archive," but I have no way of knowing how he does this, or how he maintains it, etc. I would like to give Prof. P. the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he simply made a mistake, but who knows? All I know is that I am not guilty of what he accused me of. I will happily admit to other times when I've verbally insulted him, but this just wasn't one of them.

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Are there any archives available to double-check?


Aside from the one DCP supposedly personally maintains, No, I don't think so.

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Listening to Dr. Petsrson's recounting of events and then yours has left me thoroughly confused.


Yes, I still have a long series of emails in which I went back and forth with the Good Professor, but he had made up his mind about me before the conversation even began.


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I don't know. DCP claims to maintain a kind of RfM "Archive," but I have no way of knowing how he does this, or how he maintains it, etc. I would like to give Prof. P. the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he simply made a mistake, but who knows? All I know is that I am not guilty of what he accused me of. I will happily admit to other times when I've verbally insulted him, but this just wasn't one of them.


To the best of your knowledge, how do you think events played out?

1) You registered at FAIR & RfM
2) An impersonator of Mister Scratch at RfM calls Dr. Peterson a "douche bag"
3) You criticize racism
4) Dr. Peterson digs up the "douche bag" quote.
5) You deny that you said it.
6) You engage in a thread at RfM about missionary showers and admit you are the one from FAIR
7) Dr. Peterson finds this remark
8) Nomos bans you.

Is this about right in your estimation? If not, can you please give your order of events? Another theory is, of course, that all Mister Scratches are one and the same, but that you were just trying to remain at FAIR as long as possible.

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I don't know. DCP claims to maintain a kind of RfM "Archive," but I have no way of knowing how he does this, or how he maintains it, etc. I would like to give Prof. P. the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he simply made a mistake, but who knows? All I know is that I am not guilty of what he accused me of. I will happily admit to other times when I've verbally insulted him, but this just wasn't one of them.


To the best of your knowledge, how do you think events played out?

1) You registered at FAIR & RfM
2) An impersonator of Mister Scratch at RfM calls Dr. Peterson a "douche bag"
3) You criticize racism
4) Dr. Peterson digs up the "douche bag" quote.
5) You deny that you said it.
6) You engage in a thread at RfM about missionary showers and admit you are the one from FAIR
7) Dr. Peterson finds this remark
8) Nomos bans you.

Is this about right in your estimation? If not, can you please give your order of events? Another theory is, of course, that all Mister Scratches are one and the same, but that you were just trying to remain at FAIR as long as possible.


That is pretty close, however I think your items 1 & 2 should be flip-flopped. The date on DCP's quote of the "douche bag" post is marked some time in March, whereas I registered at the ironically named FAIRboard and RfM closer to June. I am also unsure where you ought to put the 4) on your list... RfM does not maintain an archive beyond 10 days or so (I believe), so wherever this "douche bag" quote came from is anybody's guess. Supposedly, DCP maintains an "archive" of quotes, or so he says. (Yes: it is possible that DCP totally fabricated the quote in order to smear me, though I prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.)

Edited to add: I noticed that the post DCP cited appears to have been altered from the standard RfM format. Thus it seems that, at the very least, DCP was monkeying with the date for some reason.


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Edited to add: I noticed that the post DCP cited appears to have been altered from the standard RfM format. Thus it seems that, at the very least, DCP was monkeying with the date for some reason.


Sorry, Scratch, but this is NOT a credible explanation! And I don't think anyone believes it. This incriminates you even more. Maybe you'd like to go through your detailed defence some more. But at the moment: I think you are a liar! Prove me wrong.


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Edited to add: I noticed that the post DCP cited appears to have been altered from the standard RfM format. Thus it seems that, at the very least, DCP was monkeying with the date for some reason.


Sorry, Scratch, but this is NOT a credible explanation! And I don't think anyone believes it. This incriminates you even more. Maybe you'd like to go through your detailed defence some more. But at the moment: I think you are a liar! Prove me wrong.


Ray---

What are you talking about? How does the fact that DCP is toying with the evidence somehow incriminate me?


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