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For me, the critics I fear most are those I think are most reasonable. Those who see and acknowledge good in the church and its leaders are the most fearsome critics of all--more fearsome than those who once defended the church and later fell away. they are frightening because they make me question to what degree evil clouds their minds and their judgments. When they express current positions that demonstrate an ability to see things from my perspective instead of merely claiming they once thought as I do, I take note and tremble.

I therefore wish to thank posters who are not only vocal in their criticism of the church, but also vocal in expressing contempt for church leaders and their motives. I probably couldn't have maintained my testimony so well without you. Not only that, but you manage to chase out other faithful Latter-Day Saints from the real danger around here: polite and or reasonable critics.

Just thought you should know.

I was originally going to name some names of the dangerous critics, but I suspect you (and others) know who you are. I also run the danger of not offending some by leaving them off the list.

I fear that should I ever apostatize, I too will become a dangerous critic. May that day never come. I hope instead to become the opposite. I wish to be a "dangerous" believer--one critics could look at and see themselves coming into the fold and believing as I do.
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You're welcome! :)
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Being a danger to no one but myself, I just want to say that I find your post refreshing and well stated.

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My pleasure.

One thing is for certain; I would never talk the way I do here if I were trying to persuade anyone of anything. I'm in the business of expression, not persuasion.
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Some Schmo wrote:My pleasure.

One thing is for certain; I would never talk the way I do here if I were trying to persuade anyone of anything. I'm in the business of expression, not persuasion.


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asbestosman wrote:I therefore wish to thank posters who are not only vocal in their criticism of the church, but also vocal in expressing contempt for church leaders and their motives. I probably couldn't have maintained my testimony so well without you.


Good for you. You can go home and wash your vajaja now. What the hell is this tripe supposed to mean? Your self-induced ignorance is somehow strengthened by the truth that what you subscribe to is a load of hooey? Do you actually believe in magical rocks and secret handshakes? Is your holy underwear really keeping you protected... or is it keeping you ignorant. You can't even answer simple questions without 10 other points of contention being juggled simultaneously to make your manufactured argument seem like it actually could make sense if all the balls stayed up in the air. You aren't being honest and this faith promoting moment before you flee to the safe haven of deception to appease your cognitive dissonance should stand as the foundation for your testimony to the lies that Joe Smith created. Good for you teacher to itching ears. Good for you in keeping the lies of a false prophet who married other men's wives and little 14 and 15 year old girls alive with your brainwash deluge. Drink your koolaid and memorize your stupid handshakes. Drink some more and peep in your occult stones. Consult some book of the dead doctrine in your attempt to make this fairly tale actually true when you know it's a lie. How can anyone be gullible enough to actually believe people like you... you are so full of denial you reek out loud. Are the :highfives: you get from this thread gonna help you keep the monsters away? It's either true or it's false, and Mormonism is a myth. How proudly you brag about how far your head is inserted in denial. Watch the shadows on the wall... or you might see something shiny and it could break your belief in a lie… a myth …from a necromancer with an occult magical rock. Do you believe in magic rocks… only $14 a month.
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thews
Good for you. You can go home and wash your vajaja now.


I'd like some clarification on the above comment. What did you mean by that?
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Jersey Girl wrote:thews
Good for you. You can go home and wash your vajaja now.


I'd like some clarification on the above comment. What did you mean by that?


um... I was pissed off. Sorry, as I was outa line with that one.
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Some Schmo wrote:My pleasure.

One thing is for certain; I would never talk the way I do here if I were trying to persuade anyone of anything. I'm in the business of expression, not persuasion.

I see myself as a sort of the alter-ego of Schmo. It's a fun gig, and I enjoy it. I just wonder how much I could actually help the chuch if I were more like the dangerous critics.
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asbestosman wrote:For me, the critics I fear most are those I think are most reasonable. Those who see and acknowledge good in the church and its leaders are the most fearsome critics of all--more fearsome than those who once defended the church and later fell away. they are frightening because they make me question to what degree evil clouds their minds and their judgments. When they express current positions that demonstrate an ability to see things from my perspective instead of merely claiming they once thought as I do, I take note and tremble.

I therefore wish to thank posters who are not only vocal in their criticism of the church, but also vocal in expressing contempt for church leaders and their motives. I probably couldn't have maintained my testimony so well without you. Not only that, but you manage to chase out other faithful Latter-Day Saints from the real danger around here: polite and or reasonable critics.


I agree without reservation. I have long maintained, and have mentioned in private messeges to other apologists, that the present danger to the Church's missionary efforts and to those of weaker faith in the Church, are not, and have not been for sometime, the populist rantings of EV fundamentalists or the clearly mendaciously lurid concoctions of an Ed Decker.

The real challenge the Church faces at present are those such as Brent Metcalf, Anthony Hutchinson, D. Michael Quinn, Chris Smith, Loyd Ericson, and many others who revolve within the actually educated, erudite and articulate orbit of Signature Books, Sunstone and Dialogue.

Its the "September Six", not the SBC, that is now our primary challenge.
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I wonder if there is any such thing as a dangerous apologist.

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Scottie wrote:You're welcome! :)

Get behind me Satan! You married a Mormon girl after you stopped believing. You're obviously just trying to make me think you don't hate Mormons, but I know better! You're a wiley one, you are.
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Droopy wrote:
asbestosman wrote:For me, the critics I fear most are those I think are most reasonable. Those who see and acknowledge good in the church and its leaders are the most fearsome critics of all--more fearsome than those who once defended the church and later fell away. they are frightening because they make me question to what degree evil clouds their minds and their judgments. When they express current positions that demonstrate an ability to see things from my perspective instead of merely claiming they once thought as I do, I take note and tremble.

I therefore wish to thank posters who are not only vocal in their criticism of the church, but also vocal in expressing contempt for church leaders and their motives. I probably couldn't have maintained my testimony so well without you. Not only that, but you manage to chase out other faithful Latter-Day Saints from the real danger around here: polite and or reasonable critics.


I agree without reservation. I have long maintained, and have mentioned in private messeges to other apologists, that the present danger to the Church's missionary efforts and to those of weaker faith in the Church, are not, and have not been for sometime, the populist rantings of EV fundamentalists or the clearly mendaciously lurid concoctions of an Ed Decker.

The real challenge the Church faces at present are those such as Brent Metcalf, Anthony Hutchinson, D. Michael Quinn, Chris Smith, Loyd Ericson, and many others who revolve within the actually educated, erudite and articulate orbit of Signature Books, Sunstone and Dialogue.

Its the "September Six", not the SBC, that is now our primary challenge.


The real challenge the Church faces is its own members.

And on that note, please Droopy, keep talking as loudly and in as many places as possible.

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Good for you. You can go home and wash your vajaja now



Sounds like some obscure and exotic fruit from the lower Amazon delta.

And probably on the ESA list. Better not eat any more of them, as you may be consuming the cure for AIDS even as you chew.
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Darth J wrote:I wonder if there is any such thing as a dangerous apologist.

I would love to know what the critics here think.
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The real challenge the Church faces is its own members.

And on that note, please Droopy, keep talking as loudly and in as many places as possible.



Move along, nothing to see here...

Indeed, Darth is precisely the kind of critic Asbestos has pointed out are probably the least of the Church's worries.
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Droopy wrote:
Good for you. You can go home and wash your vajaja now

Sounds like some obscure and exotic fruit from the lower Amazon delta.

And probably on the ESA list. Better not eat any more of them, as you may be consuming the cure for AIDS even as you chew.
Note to self: resist Schryverian urge to drop some double-entendres about this exotic fruit.
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Darth J wrote:I wonder if there is any such thing as a dangerous apologist.
Only those who believe in blood atonement, or the modern variant, "harassment unto suicide."
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Note to self: resist Schryverian urge to drop some double-entendres about this exotic fruit.


I will admit, it hadn't crossed my mind until you mentioned it.

But, now that you do mention it...
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asbestosman wrote:
Darth J wrote:I wonder if there is any such thing as a dangerous apologist.

I would love to know what the critics here think.

Well, occasionally, the odd apologist says something fairly sensible. There's no question about that. Sometimes, I'm even impressed.

But it never threatens my conclusion that the church is false. The thing is, critics don't need to "maintain" disbelief. The evidence leads us there naturally. The same can't be said for belief. It's difficult to believe for several compelling reasons, and that's why apologists have a job, and why Mormons are constantly bearing their testimonies. It takes conditioning to believe things that go against common sense and reason.

So no, there aren't any dangerous apologists (if danger in this context means "threatening to give me a conviction that the church is true").

The most dangerous religious person I've probably ever met is a coworker of mine. I love him. He's such a great guy. I keep telling him that he is one of those rare people that gives religion a good name. Sometimes, I'm tempted to accept his invitations to church functions just because I like him so much. I haven't succumb yet to his tempting ways, but he's good... tough to resist.



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