What is anti-mormonism?

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What is anti-mormonism?

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Well what is it? :-)

It is discussing the fact that Joseph Smith looked into a hat with a stone to translate plates which may or may not have been real?

Is it discussing Joseph Smith's behavior regarding marrying girls as young as fourteen, marrying women who are already married? marrying women when he was already married? His lying? Deceiving? Coercing? Manipulating?

Is it discussing the fact that there are some issues and inconsistencies in the Book of Mormon suggesting it may not be what leaders have claimed it to be?

Is it discussing some teachings and practices of Mormonism that are unhealthy and certainly not in the best interest of families and individuals?

Is it discussing and admitting the problems with the Book of Abraham?

Is it discussing the questionable behavior of LDS leaders?

Is it discussing problems and admitting mistakes so new improvements can be made?

If something is true but not faith promoting is it "anti" material?

What about when people discuss possible problems with the changing teachings and doctrines of the church?

I would suggest that the truth should not be considered anti-mormonism but it seems that anything that is not faith promoting qualifies as anti.

What do you think?

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truth dancer wrote:
I would suggest that the truth should not be considered anti-mormonism but it seems that anything that is not faith promoting qualifies as anti.

What do you think?


MG: I think you're right. So where are you heading with this? <g>

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Hi MG...

Not really trying to go anywhere. :-)

It just seems that leaders suggest members "stay away from anti material"... what does this mean?

I've been involved with the online LDS/infidel (smile) community for a long time and have rarely (maybe a handful of times) found anything that critics state that is not true.

Do the leaders want people to stay away from truth? It seems they are equating anti Mormonism with anything that is not faith promoting, true or not.

If Bushman writes about Joseph Smith looking in a hat with a stone to translate plates it is all fine but if a non-believer makes such a statement is it anti-mormonism? If an apologist admits Joseph Smith hooked up with girls and women other than his wife, lied to his wife and society, there is no problem, but if a former believers writes the same thing it is critical and anti.

I don't get it.

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I think that there is a difference between objective history and "anti" material. I would classify "anti" material as anything that "downs" the Church intentionally. Vegas and PP's statements, I would classify as "anti". Both of them have admitted to being "anti-Mormons".

"The Godmakers" is an "anti" work. It was a work created specifically to discredit the Church.

For me, what would be classified as "anti" material has a lot to do with intent.

There is a difference between discussion of issues, and looking for answers, and simply writing or publishing work with the sole intent to discredit the Church.

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What is anti-mormonism?
Well what is it? :-)


That which lies, sensationalizes, or otherwise uses yellow journalism in their opposition or disagreement with the LDS Church. Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.

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bcspace wrote:
What is anti-mormonism?
Well what is it? :-)


That which lies, sensationalizes, or otherwise uses yellow journalism in their opposition or disagreement with the LDS Church. Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.


Really? We're liars and sensationalizers?

I'm kind of disappointed to hear you say that.
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bcspace wrote:
What is anti-mormonism?
Well what is it? :-)


That which lies, sensationalizes, or otherwise uses yellow journalism in their opposition or disagreement with the LDS Church. Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.


Oh jeez. Are you serious? Care to back that up?
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...

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bcspace wrote:Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.


Who on this board isn't an anti-Mormon?
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Bond...James Bond wrote:
bcspace wrote:Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.


Who on this board isn't an anti-Mormon?


According to BC's definition, I don't consider myself, nor most people on the board an anti-mormon.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...

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That which lies, sensationalizes, or otherwise uses yellow journalism in their opposition or disagreement with the LDS Church. Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.

Oh jeez. Are you serious? Care to back that up?


Well, in the other thread, I just showed how you are an antiMormon....lol

However in your case, I think the malady is curable. Just stop reading between the lines that which isn't there.

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bcspace wrote:
That which lies, sensationalizes, or otherwise uses yellow journalism in their opposition or disagreement with the LDS Church. Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.

Oh jeez. Are you serious? Care to back that up?


Well, in the other thread, I just showed how you are an antiMormon....lol

However in your case, I think the malady is curable. Just stop reading between the lines that which isn't there.


Umm, no you didn't. Try again?

edit - and speaking of 'sentationalizing', your example of Joseph Smith/polygamy is a prime example.

So, when TBM's sensationalize - what is that called?
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...

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Who Knows wrote:So, when TBM's sensationalize - what is that called?



Apologetics!

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However in your case, I think the malady is curable. Just stop reading between the lines that which isn't there.

Umm, no you didn't. Try again?


Didn't have to try. Too easy.

edit - and speaking of 'sentationalizing', your example of Joseph Smith/polygamy is a prime example.


How so?

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An anti-Mormon is someone obsessed with criticising Mormonism, or individual Mormons. Someone who has a "churning in the gut" at anything Mormon. For example, the criticisms of Dan Peterson, and Juliann, on this board, are obsessive. Have the critics heard of "live and let live"? Why not give it a break, eh?

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bcspace wrote:
edit - and speaking of 'sentationalizing', your example of Joseph Smith/polygamy is a prime example.


How so?


See the other thread.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...

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edit - and speaking of 'sentationalizing', your example of Joseph Smith/polygamy is a prime example.

How so?

See the other thread.


No answer there yet either. I shall view it from time to time to see if you answer the question of how I might be sensationalizing.

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bcspace wrote:No answer there yet either. I shall view it from time to time to see if you answer the question of how I might be sensationalizing.


Well, they say we only see what we want to see.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...

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No answer there yet either. I shall view it from time to time to see if you answer the question of how I might be sensationalizing.

Well, they say we only see what we want to see.


Well, so far in that other thread, you have yet to accuse me of sensationalizing anything like you have in this one. I await your explaination.....

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bcspace wrote:
No answer there yet either. I shall view it from time to time to see if you answer the question of how I might be sensationalizing.

Well, they say we only see what we want to see.


Well, so far in that other thread, you have yet to accuse me of sensationalizing anything like you have in this one. I await your explaination.....


Your example in the other thread was a prime example of sensationalizing. The critics don't claim to be shocked only by learning Joseph Smith was a polygamist, and how they never learned about it in church (which is what your example implies). There are other factors involved (which i spelled out in the other thread) that are the cause of the 'i never learned that in church' complaint. The fact that you left those other significant factors out - is sensationalizing. I'm guessing you did so, because then the critics would have a legitimate complaint - something you just can't have happen.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...

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Bond...James Bond wrote:
bcspace wrote:Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.


Who on this board isn't an anti-Mormon?


Not me. I am however, a damned hypocrite.

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Jason Bourne wrote:
Bond...James Bond wrote:
bcspace wrote:Most, if not all the people on this board who disagree with the LDS Church, in my experience so far, are antiMormon.


Who on this board isn't an anti-Mormon?


Not me. I am however, a damned hypocrite.


So says St. Plutarch. ;)

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