Fortigurn wrote:rcrocket wrote:No hint? Absolutely none? (I know this is the EV view.) In my particular case, it did not initially come with a burning bosom. But, I point you to Luke 24:32 which is a lot more than a non-hint.
All that says is that while the disciples were talking with Jesus, they experienced a strong emotional sensation. They had absolutely no idea what it was or why they were experiencing it until after Jesus had revealed himself to them, and it certainly did not convict them of anything. In fact they couldn't explain it until Jesus had revealed himself openly. This is the opposite of the 'burning bosom' of Mormonism.In 1 Thess 1:5-6, Paul writes: "For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you, because our gospel came to you not simply with words, but also with power, with the Holy Spirit and with deep conviction. You know how we lived among you for yours sake. You became imitators of us . . . ."
Thus, Paul himself says that a conviction of the Gospel is not necessarily conveyed with words (i.e., the scriptures) but with power, the Holy Spirit and deep conviction, and seeing the apostles in action.
Paul is saying, that the gospel was not merely presented to the Thessalonians by word, but by the visible signs provided by the Holy Spirit and by the conviction of the apostles themselves. He says nothing of the Thessalonians being convicted of the truth by a 'burning bosom'.Augustine writes that...
I don't care for the writings of apostates 300 years after the New Testament era.I think it is incorrect to characterize conversion to the Gospel being based simply upon a "warm and fuzzy feeling."
I agree. That's why I object to the LDS 'burning bosom'.
I guess you won't be persuaded by the writings of apostolic fathers, either. The point is that few of these persons who were closer in time to the Savior were wedded to tha sola sciptura formulation for conversion; they talked about a spiritual witness, a conviction born by the spirit. "Burning in the bosom" is one of may ways the Spirit manifests itself, but not by any means the only way.
The eunuch had no clue what he was reading in Isaiah until a disciple, not an apostle, explained it to him. We, too, believe that in large part conversion comes on the basis of the testimonies of believers -- coupled with scripture. That is certainly the New Testament model in the scriptures I have cited.
Please don't respond by simply telling me that the "burning in the bosom" formulation doesn't work. I've already explained twice that that is not the LDS formulation for the discovery of spiritual truth; it is one of many ways.
In His Name,