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 Post subject: cognitive psychologist: no evidence porn hurts relationships
PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 5:45 pm 
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"Despite strident claims that research has proven porn use is harmful to relationships, there is in fact no such evidence"
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/ta ... ationships

The article was published on May 29, 2017


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:00 pm 
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None of us would exist if not for human sexual activity. Yet societally, religion treats human sexuality as shameful, something not to be talked about, and labels depictions of it as 'pornographic' (as if that's bad). Sexual attraction and acting on it are the most human of all aspects of our existence, because without them, mankind would become extinct and have no other aspects. Sexual attraction and acting on it should be openly celebrated, not bottled up in a closet.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 9:43 pm 
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There's two types of liars. Those that say they've never watched porn and those that say they've stopped.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:26 am 
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Of course there is no inherent harm to a relationship. That should go without saying.

The harm comes from conflict -- either internal conflict from acting against a personal conviction, or a conflict with an action that a partner opposes.

Then again, a person can develop an unhealthy obsession (not addiction) with anything, which can definitely harm a relationship. But I don't think that's very common.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:30 am 
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Also, something I harp on often: it's impossible to authoritatively condemn something you can't even reliably define. What is 'porn,' anyway?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:34 am 
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Sanctorian wrote:
There's two types of liars. Those that say they've never watched porn and those that say they've stopped.


Don't you believe in the "Not Even Once Club?" :surprised:


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:39 am 
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krose wrote:
Also, something I harp on often: it's impossible to authoritatively condemn something you can't even reliably define. What is 'porn,' anyway?


Justice Potter Stewart wrote:
I shall not today attempt further to define the kinds of material I understand to be embraced within that shorthand description ["hard-core pornography"], and perhaps I could never succeed in intelligibly doing so. But I know it when I see it, and the motion picture involved in this case is not that.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I_know_it_when_I_see_it

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:06 am 
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Justice Potter Stewart wrote:
But I know it when I see it

That's the problem, isn't it? The term means something different to just about everyone, which renders it essentially meaningless, especially when forbidding it either legally or religiously.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:11 am 
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krose wrote:
Justice Potter Stewart wrote:
But I know it when I see it

That's the problem, isn't it? The term means something different to just about everyone, which renders it essentially meaningless, especially when forbidding it either legally or religiously.


I'm in full agreement. I was mainly just hoping to show how subjective it could be. There is also the huge issue of differentiating between addiction and obsession. I think many incorrectly ascribe addiction to what is generally more likely obsessive in nature (if it is even that bad in the first place).

Can having an unhealthy obsession with viewing porn disrupt your relationships? You betcha it can! So can obsessing over avoiding it though, or any other behavior that interferes with forming connections.

I am a firm believer (and I know I am not the first to suggest it, even on this thread) that the underlying issue is actually one of trust and communication. As long as personal feelings and desires are shared and acknowledged by both within the relationship, you're probably going to be a-okay.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 10:58 am 
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One of the most successful pornographers in the country is a celebrated LDS woman and BYU graduate...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 11:55 am 
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Why hasn't Stephanie Myers been subjected to a Court of Love for her pornographic filth? Why does she get to 'enjoy' the benefits of being a Mormon while kids of Gay parents are denied their salvation?

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:31 pm 
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
Why hasn't Stephanie Myers been subjected to a Court of Love for her pornographic filth? Why does she get to 'enjoy' the benefits of being a Mormon while kids of Gay parents are denied their salvation?

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... for the same reason that Marriott gets away with porn channels in their hotels... how much of the 4 billion Twilight franchise resulted in tithing for the LDS church...?


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:33 pm 
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Is this a joke? I am not familiar with Twilight so asked google. What I read hardly sounds like pornography.

In a realm where bare shoulders are called pornographic it may be easy to say pornography is fine and healthy. There is an outside of that area, I know every body knows.

I am not going to prescribe for others but I think some things are not so healthy. I would advise making a few thoughtful choices.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:53 pm 
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Not sure about relationships but in my RC parish we had a pastor so heavily involved/addicted to the most vile forms of porn that it took an intervention, medical Impatient Care and now ongoing treatment for this young priest. He began his trek into porn as a naïve 10th grader in a catholic seminary- he was severely introverted and surrounded by both straight and gay Seminarians acting out. He kept his porn addiction secret until mailings were discovered by housekeepers in the rectory. He was so addicted he spent days and nights watching and calling 800 sex lines.

Not sure this priest had healthy relationships with men or women before or during the porn but it is not likely any will be formed Without struggle. He also tried to end his life twice during the addiction phase.


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